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Anonymous 
08-20-03 01:10 PM - Post#10417    


O Svats sto teleutaio tou post (re: Iraq) mou to evale auto to thema sto mualo mou, hence my post...

Education in Greece is free whereas in the U.S. it's anything but (excluding public schools). Oi gnomoi sas paidia ti einai? Poia xora apo tis duo nomizete exei to kalitero systima paideias? Dimotika, likia, panepistimia--pou einai kalitera?







 
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08-20-03 01:16 PM - Post#10418    

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Tha sou pw

I Ameriki exei kalitera sxoleia, panepistimia etc kai ontws dinei polles efkeries stous kalous mathites.... SCHOLARSHIPS , Help from the Goverment etc.

An i Ellada eixe ta idia mesa opws i Ameriki pistevw pws oi Ellines pou 3epernoun sto Myalo kai tin e3ypnada kata poly tha ekanan thavmata.

Pantws kai i Ellada exei poly kala panepistimia, para poly kala apla einai dyskola na beis mesa.

SVATS

As elpisoume sto mellon oti tha doume tetia panepistimia stin Ellada, pou tha erxete kosmos apo olo ton planiti gia mathisi
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Anonymous 
08-20-03 04:25 PM - Post#10420    

    In response to SVATS

I agree. To kalo einai stin Ellada (kai stis perisoteres Europaikes xores) oti einai dorean ta panepistimia opote o kathenas exei tin eukairia na paei. Allo thema: pos mpainoun ta paidia s'auta ta penepistimia? Here we have the dreaded SATs that can decide one's future. Ekei, tis panellinies pou skotononde ta paidia na perasoun. I remember friends and relatives literally being suicidal over those exams. Tora ean ena Ellinopoulo den grapsei kala kai den perasei, mporei na pai exo apo tin Ellada gia spoudes, assuming the parents are financially able to afford it. All in all, it appears both systems have their pluses and minuses...







 
Anonymous 
08-20-03 11:53 PM - Post#10422    

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Ti einai dorean? ta frontistiria? pou pigainoun 90% apo ta paidia tis ellados?







 
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08-21-03 03:13 AM - Post#10423    

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Me aformh to poly wraio thema ths Elenie,
Dystyxws edw sthn Ellada den einai mono to oti exoume polla fronthsthria kai "diarroes" paidiwn apo to gymnasio kai xeirotera apo to ..Dhmotiko !!
Shmera pou milame arketoi mathites egkataleipoun to gymnasio kai den exoun kanonikh ekpaideysh.
Ayto pou tha hthela na prosthesw sta kataplhktika kai eystoxa sxolia sas einai to oti:
EDW YIOTHETOUME LATHOS PROTYPA DYTIKWN KAI SKANDINAVIKWN EKPAIDEYTIKWN SYSTHMATWN !! Exoume pio poly zesth , to klima einai diaforetiko, ta paidia paizoun eksw stis geitonies, oi goneis doulevoun ligotero, ASXOLOUNTAI me ta paidia tous...ta paidia den ANTEXOUN kai poly afou DEN exoun endiaferon gia ta ANIARA mathimata opws tous ta didaskoun !!
Gia apofygh parekshghsewn , to amerikaniko einai isws to mono pou tha mas tairiaze .... alla einai adynath h ylopoihsh tou logw ..oikonomikwn. Ta skandinavika einai antitheta entelws !
Afhste pou kathe xrono KATHE KYVERNHSH ta allazei ! kati pou safws DEN ginetai stis HPA.







 
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08-21-03 04:55 AM - Post#10425    

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Complicated topic elenie.
As AR very well said, schooling may be free however all students result to frondistiria which cost an arm and a leg. so in actual fact greece could be more epensive than any other country considering this factor.
Secondly, universities are so difficult to get into, students tend to either go to a different city where they are accepted or a different country. Again the cost is enormous. Countries like rumania, bulgaria are countries which students go and study medicine the easy way, a few dollars and you have passed ur exams.
On the other hand, i do agree that the level of knowledge is extremely high amongst greek instructors/professors and that students who are lucky enough to graduate from the greek universities are lucky. I just wish the system/government would get its act together and the instructors would take their role more seriously.
It goes without saying that the standard of education in the USA, Australia, Canada is exceptional, but they also have a system to back them up, greece does not and that is sad.







 
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08-21-03 07:42 AM - Post#10429    

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Very well said Arapia
Another factor that's sad is the... "meson" if you don't have the right "contacts" or your "daddy" is not rich or you don't know so and so, or if you don't "taizeis" certain individuals, you can be the smartest student in the country but you're still WON'T pass those exams.

My cousins spend a fortune on "Frontistiria" and like I said above if you don't have the right contacts it's all a waist of time.

Plus I don't know what kind of education kids in Greece are receiving when 50% of the school year they are out in the streets protesting
Obviously students are NOT happy with the school system at all.
In reply to:

Countries like rumania, bulgaria are countries which students go and study medicine the easy way, a few dollars and you have passed ur exams.





maybe that's why the new up and coming physicians have such a bad reputation.
You are in labor and accidentally they remove your appendix.









 
Anonymous 
08-21-03 09:06 AM - Post#10430    

    In response to Liberty

All of you have brought up excellent points and shed some light on a subject that has interested me since I was a child and would compare my Greek cousins' education with my own.

Thank you for mentioning frondistiria. WHAT exactly are they and what is their purpose? Is it like the SAT prep course we take, for a specific subject, or like after-school tutoring? Why do so many kids go? Auto mou fenete provlima--den ta pane kala sto sxoleio kai xreiazontai voithia? My parents had a 'no TV until your homework is done' policy and were very strict with my studying. Are Greek parents simply not keeping abreast of their childrens' progress?

Kala, whenever I hear of the professors/schools going on strike I laugh--it's just prepostrous! If that ever happened in the USA...alimono mas.

Also, we have SO many colleges and universities here. Greece only has a handful. Even if a student could go abroad to study, the language barrier alone would be an issue...









 
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08-21-03 09:25 AM - Post#10431    

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Tha ethela na ksero posoi apo esas exete paidia se sxoleia? Vasika o kathenas mporei na ekferi gnomi alla autos pou exei paidia se Amerikanika sxoleia kserei perissotera. Sigoura stin Ellada ta simerina xronia yparxi ena arketo pososto mathiton pou einai tenekedes. Stin Ameriki auto to pososto einai dekaplasio. Stin Ameriki an paroun tous kathigitas kai tous veloun se protypa Ellinika sxoleia tha meinoun oloi tous stin idia taksi. To epipedo ton gnoseon tous, eidika se Science kai Math einai tragiko.

Kai yia autous pou den mporoun na diavasoun Ellinika (?)

I wanted to know how many of you have children in Schools. Basically everyone can have a saying about the School system in Greece and in America. But those who have children they know better. And I am one of them. I am really disgusted with the elementary and high school system in the USA. It really stinks. In Greece, the last few years, the percentage of students who finish high school and are ignorant has been increased. In America, the same percentage is 10 times that of Greece, if not more. The lower education system in the USA is in grave condition. Believe me, if they take the USA teachers, who teach Math and Science and sit them in class of a prototype high school in Greece, they will all fail. They are ignorant. Plainly worthless. There is a reason for this. Simply they do not care. And the system is difficult to recruit teachers, therefore, they hire almost anybody. Of course, there are a lot more reasons for this tragic situation, and I do not have the time to analyze. Do you think it is an accident, when you see in international student competitions that USA students are a lot behind Cyprus as well as behind third world countries? Ask an average American student whos has graduated high school about the form and roots of a quadratic equation. If he kows, come and “vgalte mou to mati”!

There are tutoring schools in Greece (frontistiria) and students pay for it, but tutoring has positive results. It increases the level of knowledge and competitiveness. I have no doubt about this.

I have not doubt that a better job is being done at the American Univercities.








 
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08-21-03 10:01 AM - Post#10432    

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Συμφωνώ μαζί σου στο σημείο που λες ότι μιμούμεθα πρότυπα άλλων. Το Υπουργείο Παιδείας τής Ελλάδας αντιγράφει τα πρότυπα εκπαίδευσης ανεπτυγμένων χωρών, και μια από αυτές τις χώρες είναι και η Αμερική.
Παράδειγμα-Η διδασκαλία τής Φυσικής για να γίνεται κατανοητή, άντιγράφονται τα πρότυπα τής Αμερικής. Αυτό είναι το χειρότερο που μπορείς να φαντασθείς, αφού ο κάθε λαός 'εχει ένα δικό του εκπαιδευτικό σύστημα από την κατώτερη βαθμίδα τής εκπαίδευσης μέχρι την ανώτερη. Για να φομοιώσει ένα παιδί 14 χρόνων την έννοια τής βαρύτητας και την έννοια τής επιτάχυνσης με την μέθοδο την Αμερικάνικη, πρέπει να έχει μια παιδεία από το δημοτικό, από το περιβάλλον του όπως μουσεία επιστημών και άλλα που έχουν τα παιδιά στην Αμερική.

Η Ελλάδα έχει πολλούς και πανέξυπνους εκπαιδευτικούς. Οσα παιδιά έρχονται από Ελλάδα, ανεξάρτητα αν είναι από φροντιστήρια η όχι τα καταφένουν πολλές φορές καλύτερα από τα μέσα Αμερικανάκια που τούς διαθέτουν και βοήθεια ( tutoring) στα σχολεία και με εκείνα τα SEEK προγράμματα στα Πανεπιστήμια, παίρνουν ανεγκέφαλους και προσπαθούν να τούς κάνουν με μυαλό. Αν πεις δε σε μερικούς από αυτούς να σού βγάλουν στον αέρα ένα πολλαπλασιασμό δεν μπορούν.Μη ξεχνάς ότι Η Αμερική στις αρχές τού προηγούμενου αιώνα πήρε τα καλύτερα μυαλά από το Ελληνικό κολλέγιο Αθηνών και 'αλλα πρότυπα σχολεία όπως το Βαρβάκειο που σήμερα διαπρέπουν στην Αμερική. Τελικά από την προσωπική μου πείρα θα πω πως ό,τι έμαθα στην δεκαετία τού '60 στο Γυμνάσιο τής Ελλάδας και στο πανεπιστήμιο, στην χημεία στα μαθηματικά και στην φυσική , ήταν περισσότερα από αυτά που με υποχρέωσαν να ξαναπάρω στην στην Αμερική.


Λενιώ Αδάμου
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Anonymous 
08-21-03 11:12 AM - Post#10434    

    In response to agnostotheo

For the most part, I agree. Unfortunately, I cannot speak of the public system in the U.S. from personal experience--I attended only private schools (o pateras mou:" i koroula mou den prokete na patisei s'auta ta dimosia sxoleia--eschos, eschos ta pramata!"). My brother however attended boarding school for a few years in Spetses so he gained firsthand experience in Greece.

Yes, in Math and Science ta ellinopoula (and most foreign students) skizoun ta Amerikanakia. No argument there. Schools overseas place a great emphasis on these subjects. Also, the quality of teachers in Greece in Math & Science is vastly different. Teachers here have an overall degree that allows them to teach--they are not 'specialists' in a particular subject (like in college).

The U.S. simply has so many more schools and opportunities afforded to kids. Greek kids have a handful of schools to choose from and even less opportunities to do something to further their education (i.e., community college, vocational schools, job training, etc.)

My schools prior to college focused mainly on liberal subjects--English, Religion (itan Katholika ta sxoleia mou)--and did not emphasize Math & Science...







 
Anonymous 
08-21-03 11:40 AM - Post#10435    

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Ta frontisthria einai san mikra idiwtika sxoleia opou ta paidia (osa theloun) phgainoun meta to kanoniko sxoleio kai parakolouthoun opoia mathimata tous xreiazontai (synithws mathimatika, fysikoxhmeia kai arxaia, mathimata pou thewrountai "dyskola").

Sthn epoxh mou - prin 15 xronia peripou - ta paidia phgainan frontisthrio sthn teleftaia h kai sthn proteleftaia taksh tou lykeiou gia na proetoimastoun gia tis eisagwgikes eksetaseis, oi opoies perilamvanan 4 mathimata. Twra ap'oso kserw dinoun eksetaseis se ola ta mathimata tou sxoleiou kai etsi kanoun frontisthrio se 10-12 mathimata. Epishs poly syxna ksekinoun to frontisthrio poly nwritera, sto gymnasio h akoma kai sto dhmotiko.

O logos pou anagkazontai ta paidia na phgainoun einai oti to systhma eisagwghs sta panepisthmia einai eksairetika antagwnistiko. Den arkei na eisai kalos, prepei na eisai kalyteros apo kapoion allo gia na mpeis. An kai oi theseis sta panepisthmia exoun afksithei shmantika ta teleftaia xronia (sthn epoxh mou empaine to 1/3 twn upopsifiwn, twra nomizw mpainoun perissoteroi apo tous misous) eksakolouthoun na einai periorismenes. Apo thn allh meria yparxei eksairetika afkshmenh zhthsh giati oi ellhnes goneis, antitheta apo oti eipes, noiazontai ypervolika gia th morfwsh twn paidiwn tous kai epimenoun na ta steiloun ola sta panepisthmia, akoma ki'an ta paidia den exoun ta efodia h den endiaferontai na spoudasoun.

Ta panepisthmia mas opws eipes einai liga, omws dinoun ptyxia me plhrh epaggelmatika dikaiwmata, ta opoia ap'oso exw akousei sto ekswteriko prepei na kaneis metaptyxiaka gia na ta pareis. Oi spoudes diarkoun 4 xronia (sto polytexneio 5 kai sthn iatrikh 6) kai otan pareis ptyxio, as poume sth filologia, mporeis amesws na pas na didakseis. Oi arxitektones kai oi mhxanikoi mporoun na xtisoun, na ftiaksoun etaireies, na analavoun dhmosia erga. Epishs ta ptyxia olwn twn panepisthmiwn einai isotima, den yparxoun "defteroklasata" panepisthmia.

Oson afora tis apergies, einai to mono oplo tou ergazomenou gia na diekdikhsei kalyteres synthikes ergasias, kalyterous misthous, klp. Den exw katalavei giati sthn Amerikh vlepete me kako mati thn apergia, edw sthn ellada einai nomothetika katoxyrwmeno dikaiwma twn ergazomenwn kai einai sevasto ap'olous.

Elpizw na eriksa ligo fws sthn katastash...








 
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08-21-03 07:05 PM - Post#10448    

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Elenie here is an article relating to this topic,it focuses more on Daycare schools in Greece but still worth reading.


Daycare schools

Daycare schools are, no doubt, a much-needed institution. First of all, they help overcome an acute social problem, that of caring for younger children whose parents both work and who have no relative living nearby to look after them once their lessons are over.

The seriousness of this problem is demonstrated by the precipitous rise in the applications for a spot at any one of the available daycare schools. This year applications are up by 120 percent in relation to last year. As expected, demand is highest in the Attica region.

What many people are probably not aware of is the rapid increase in the number of daycare schools. According to the Education Ministry, this school year 864 of the 1,054 primary schools (82 percent) and 552 of the 1,030 kindergartens (54 percent) in Attica will function as daycare schools. The progress is stunning, as 46 percent of the country’s primary schools and kindergartens will operate on an all-day basis.

However, questions still remain over the young pupils’ curriculum and activities during these extra school hours. The Ministry, of course, speaks of “high quality educational content and an attractive program of activities” but, in truth, many of the existing daycare schools function merely as places to park a child. A near-distraught teacher often struggles to tame 20 or 30 children who are fretful and tired after having remained cooped up in the same space for many hours and are therefore more unruly and undisciplined as time passes. Her primary concern being to make sure than no one escapes her attention, it’s a trial for pupils and teachers alike.

Transforming these parking spaces for children into a pleasant environment that is both committed to the development of the children’s educational skills as well as being compatible with the parents’ work and family duties, presupposes a substantial improvement of daycare schools. Bigger and better equipped schools with more teachers are needed if all-day schools are to be upgraded. This will require considerable funds but on this point government promises are rather vague. Turning an ordinary school into a daycare school is not enough. The State must first provide considerable funds and the rest will follow. Only serious investment will convince us of the seriousness of government pledges.












 
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08-21-03 10:42 PM - Post#10450    

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Exeis dikio Patriot ta frontostiria den einai dwrean

ALLA

Parte ena teleiofoito Gymnasiou stin USA kai ena stin ELLADA. Pios 3erei kalitera mathimatika?

SVATS

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08-22-03 01:58 AM - Post#10451    

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Kai ti egine an (as ypothesoume) o Ellinas apofoitos xerei kallitera Mathimatika???? Kai ayto den apeythynetai mono ston SVATS, alla kai olous se sas pou telika vgazete oute ligo oute poly to Amerikaniko systima AXRISTO....Me ta kallitera Panepistimia sto kosmo kai ta kallitera kentra ereynwn (ergazomai epi xronia se ena ap'ayta, Bell Labs...). Tha ithela na xerw posoi apo sas pragmati xerete apo ekpaideysi kai grafete ayta pou grafete...Diladi ta Ellinika Panepistimia vgazoun kalliterous daskalous apo ta Amerikanika...Alitheia?? Kai pote eixan kairo gia diavasma, apo ti mia oi katalipseis, apo tin alli apergies, as mi xehname oti stis perissoteres sxoles i ennoia tou kathimerinou "home work" einai anyparkti (plin Polytexneiou kai isws ligwn allwn..). Sto telos tis xronias diavazoun gia kana mina, kai papala.....perasame ti xronia...Kai afou re patriwtes yparxoun kathimerina arthra stis Ellinikes efimerides gia to poso ypovathmismena einai ta Ellinika ptyxia... Kai sto finale giati perimeneis apo ena 17ari na parei tin apofasi tis zwis tou sxetika me to epaggelma pou tha akolouthisei, xwris na tou dwseis oses eykairies thelisei na exei sto mellon...Ayto akrivws epitygxanei to amerikaniko systima, sou dixnei to dromo kai sou dinei ta efodia wste an theleis na ta ekmettaleytheis; mathaineis arketa wste na ektimiseis orismenous tomeis, den tha ginoun kai oloi mathimatikoi... ALLA an sou ti dwsi meta 10 xronia kai theleis na gineis mathimatikos p.x., yparxei o dromos kai ta mesa kai oi eykaireies pou den yparxoun stin Ellada... Einai vevaia geloio na sygkrinoume kat'ayto ton tropo tin Ellada me tis HPA, alla poloi apo sas to exete parakanei me tis kathimerines mpourdes kai anakriveies gia oti exei sxesi me HPA....







 
Anonymous 
08-22-03 06:08 AM - Post#10452    

    In response to SVATS

Zeis ston kosmo tis fantasias SVATS. Me to mialo pou kouvalane oi ithinontes stin Ellada, oi ellines den prokite na doun "kala sxolia kai panepistimia" pou na xalasei o kosmos.

Episis,den nomizw oti "oi Ellines" einai poio eksipnoi apo tous anthrwpous ton alon kratwn. I ethikotita den exei na kanei tipota me tin eksipnada twn anthrwpwn.

Exw paei sxoleio kai stin Ellada kai stin Ameriki. Kata tin gnwmi mou to na prospatheisei kaneis na sigrinei ta dio sistimata einai teleiws adinato. Ante na sigrineis tin imera me tin nixta.

Thaumazw ta Ellinopoula kai tous Ellines fititas (oxi olous tous Ellinas fititas) pou parolo ta ebodia pou tous vazoun ston dromo tous oi tis Ellados ipeuthinoi auta mathenoun kai eksexoun.

Kai panw apo ola, thaumazw kai sigxerw tous Ellines goneis, pou boithithoun ta paidia tous me megales diskolies, kai tis perissoteres fores steroumeni ta basika tis zwis, gia na spoudasoun ta paidia tous. Den nomizw oti xoris tin ipostiriksi tou Ellina goniou, oi plionotis ton paidiwn na pigaine brosta.

Bravo stous Ellines goneis kai stin Ellada, alla kai apantaxou sto kosmo. Ena megalo euge gia autous tous hrwes.








 
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08-22-03 11:03 AM - Post#10455    

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Ti psaxneis na vreis re synan8rwpe?
O trellos e8nikismos einai to martyrio ths
patridas, den gnorizeis to arxaio, "Pas mh Ellhn Varvaros"?
Shmera einai poly pio poly stis doxes toy, ap oti tote___________
No Mercy..!!!








 
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08-22-03 12:28 PM - Post#10457    

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In reply to:

Kai ti egine an (as ypothesoume) o Ellinas apofoitos xerei kallitera Mathimatika???? Kai ayto den apeythynetai mono ston SVATS, alla kai olous se sas pou telika vgazete oute ligo oute poly to Amerikaniko systima AXRISTO....




Prwton paradexese oti oi Ellines 3eroun kalitera mathimatika.
Defteron pote mou den eipa to Amerikaniko systima axristo.

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Einai vevaia geloio na sygkrinoume kat'ayto ton tropo tin Ellada me tis HPA, alla poloi apo sas to exete parakanei me tis kathimerines mpourdes kai anakriveies gia oti exei sxesi me HPA....




Borei kai na exeis dikio edw, alla otan 3ereis dio patrides panta tha sigrineis kai ta kala kai ta kaka kai ta anapoda.

SVATS

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08-22-03 04:16 PM - Post#10463    

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Some of those students who have struggled in HS moved on to college and had wonderful successful educations-and is your claim that Greek students are better in math than American students a fact? A survey? what is it? Because if this info came out of Greece then sorry but I'm skeptical.

And I disagree that Greece has better college professors or college students for that matter.And that's not to say American Students/College professors are perfect because they are not, but IMO better than the Greek system.
I have read and watched on Greek TV recent incidents involving college professors and students that were appalling to me. One that comes to mind is all the recent riots they caused in Thessaloniki.

Please tell me, is that college professor who dressed in a Muslim outfit to show his support for the Talibans right after 9/11 on channel Alpha, is he still teaching? He was pathetic and he should have been stripped away from his college/teaching diplomas.











 
Anonymous 
08-22-03 04:16 PM - Post#10464    

    In response to SVATS

Opws tonisa to minyma mou den apeythinotan kat'anagki se sena....Episis eipa "an ypothesoume", den mpainw se antiparathesi sto poios xerei kallitera math, den tha ixera pws na to apodeixw; mia niki se diethni Math Olympiada den deixnei to geniko epipedo enos systimatos...alla i axia twn ptyxiwn kai to epipedo twn Panepistimiwn to deixnei.....Otan les oti oi Ellines xeroun kallitera math, mallon exeis yp'opsin sou kapoious apo tous koryfaious se ena sxoleio, aytous pou legame kapote "korakia", kai meta to xaos....Kai edw yparxoun tetoiou eidous xirafia kai to vlepei kaneis otan parakolouthei sxoles pou ta math einai prerequisite, alloiws den eisagesai, idiws se kalles sxoles....Yparxoun polles ptyxes pou den einai faneres stous pollous kai dimiourgoun plasmatikes entypwseis; otan erxetai gia spoudes edw enas Ellinas sti syntriptiki pleiopsifia erxetai me ypotrofia kai tha prepei na einai already apo tous prwtous...opote amesws i sygkrisi me tous allous stin taxi pou einai isws metrioi, ara o Ellinas einai kalliteros dioti einai proion kalliterou systimatos!!!! Alla to idio isxyei kai gia tous Kinezous, Indous kai...Tourkous!!! Orismenoi apo tous kalliterous foitites pou exw synantisei itan Tourkoi!! Isws to pio "fair comparison" tha itan na sygkrinoume oxi tous 18arides pou molis apofoitisan kai den xeroun pou pan ta tessera, alla se kapoia pio wrimi epaggelmatika ilikia....







 
Leniw 
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08-22-03 05:02 PM - Post#10468    

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Agapite Anonyme,
Tha mou epitrepseis na diafonisw sto shmeio pou les oti oi kaluteroi mathites gumnasiou erxodai sthn Ameriki. Prwton tha sou pw, oti twra pia elaxistoi Ellines erxodai stin Ameriki gia undergraduate studies. Protimoun tin Eyropi gia logous pou den exw xrono na analusw se touto to minima. Apenadias i Ameriki einai pada stin ipsiloteri lista gia PH.Ds.

Autoi oi ligoi pou erxodai stin Ameriki apo Ellada gia undergraduate studies sinithws den exoun ypotrofies. Oi ypotrofies stin Ellada didodai kuriws IKY klp mono se metaptuxiakes spoudes. Ara aytoi pou erxodai einai oi perissoteroi oi apotuxodes apo ta Ellinika panepistimia oi opoioi den einai kat'anagi kai oi xeiroteroi. Osoi apo emas perasame apo ta panepistimia tis Elladas, gnwrizoume oti den einai eukolo na peraseis, alla opoios den pernaei den simenei oti einai axristos. Polla paneksipna paidia apotuxganoun se ekeino to sathro sistima tis Elladas kai enoow twn eisagwgikwn sta panepistimia. Giati an me rotiseis an bgazei kalous giatrous i Ellada tha sou pw nai, isws kaliterous apo kati alles xwres. Allwste to exoun apodeiksei oloi aytoi pou ilthan etoimoi giatroi apo Ellada stin Ameriki kai diaprepoun.

Exw amesi gnwmi gia ta paidia tis newteris Elladas sta panepistimai tis Neas Yorkis afou exw katanalwsei kai egw to xrono mou edw se spoudes kai exw ergasthei sto dimosio ekpaideytiko panepistimiako systima tis Neas Yorkis gia arketa xronia kai 5 xronia sto idiwtiko isws en apo ta kalitera idiwtiak gia gynaikes sto kosmo.

Tha se afisw twra na kanw kai ligi douleia alla kapws etsi exoun ta pragmata gi amena

Na Eytyxeis

Leniw
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Anonymous 
08-22-03 05:06 PM - Post#10469    

    In response to Leniw

Akyron....milousa gia metaptyxiakous, oxi gia undergraduates...diki mou paralipsi, alla ennoousa aytous pou erxontai me ypotrofies or assistanships apo ta Panepistimia twn HPA gia metaptyxiaka...







 
Anonymous 
08-24-03 11:12 PM - Post#10486    

    In response to SVATS

Svatsako, the theory that greeks students know more mathematics used to be true, many many years ago, but things my friend have drastically changed, since you have been in school. take a look at contemporary students in greece and you will see what I mean.
As such, the majority of Greek students did not have the benefiit of a college education, thus, out of necessity, their high school education was about a year more advanced in many fields , not just mathematics. However if you factor in a full college education, their is no comparison to the overall education levels of american students.
I for one attended Bronx High school of Science, a school that is famous for its advanced methods in the sciences, and in comparison i was always ahead of my greek counterparts.
it is ludicrous to believe that the country at the forefront of technology, ssccience, medicine, etc, takes a back seat in the education of its students.







 
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08-24-03 11:22 PM - Post#10487    

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Ooi kaliteroi mathites sto Bronx Science einai ELLINES.

Yparxei kai mia alli ermineia se afta pou les Patriot.

A good example is

We take a poor kid from a poor area and move him to a rich.
Then we take a rich kid from a rich area and move him to a poor area. Do you know the results?

SVATS

Alla ton Ellina Patriotlibertoanonymousrex opou kai an ton valeis paramenei ELLINAS. kapito?
Πάντα στο σωστό μέρος, αλλά σε λάθος ώρα








 
Anonymous 
08-25-03 10:00 AM - Post#10493    

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Euharisto Liberty! Day care is another issue I'm "iffy" on in Greece. It's so expensive in the U.S. and something one considers when deciding to start a family. Centers do seem to be popping up everywhere in Athens but is the quality of the day care provided good? I wonder...The day cares I've seen here (US) are very structured, small, and pretty good overall.







 
Anonymous 
08-25-03 10:28 AM - Post#10494    

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Anon, to thema to ekana post mono kai mono na matho gnomeis allonon GAs kai ellines dioti einai ena thema pou me endiaferei para poli. Den katigoro oute to ena sistima oute to allo--tin morfosi pou pira stin Ameriki den tin katigoro alla oute den mporo na po oti i Ameriki prosferi to kati kalitero apo alles xores.

Oste gia ta mathimatika kai science-related auto einai ston kathe anthropo omos mporo na po to exeis: (in English--it's easier for me): My cousins and friends in Greece had a much more rigorous and intense curriculum than I or any of my counterparts had in the U.S. They were doing Geometry and Trig in middle school and were much more advanced in comparison to where I and my American friends were. I can say the same for their studies in world history, religion, world affairs. Here, so many public school students who are asked simple questions such as "What is the capital of the U.S?" are stumped--completely unacceptable and sad.

The bottom line is that the U.S. offers more opportunities and a plethora of options which Greece simply doesn't have. Universities in the U.S. are a dime a dozen but if you don't have the $$ or the connections for a 'top' school, forget it. Not to mention this little thing called 'affirmative action" (Liberty, shall we post a new thread on that subject? LOL) which adds to the inconsistencies and difficulties many American students face...

Paidia, sto kato kato ta Ellinopoula SKIZOUN ta Amerikaniaka sta mathimatika as do most foreign students in comparison to the U.S....







 
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08-25-03 06:00 PM - Post#10509    

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EPEIDI PARAKOLOUTHO TO THEMA SAS ARKETES MERES TWRA, KAI EPEIDI EIMAI PATERAS ME DYO PAIDEIA POY PIGAINOUN SCHOLEIO, KAI EPEIDI ZW STIN ELLADA, KAI TELOS KAI EGW SPOUDASA STIN ELLADA THA MPOROUSA NA EKFERW MIA TAPINI GNWMI SE SAS POY ZEITE STO EKSWTERIKO.
TO ELLINIKO SISTIMA PAIDEIAS, EDW STIN ELLADA, THEN MPORW NA IPOSTIRIKSO OTI EINAI TO KALLITERO STON KOSMO, ALLA OUTE KAI TO CHEIROTERO.
SAN ELLINES APO TIN FISI MAS EIMASTE ANTHROPOI POU MAS ARESEI I EREVNA WS PROS TA PANTA TA OPIA IPARXOUN GIRO MAS, KAI PRWSPATHOUME ME DIAFOROUS TROPOUS KAI FILOSOFIA NA ANALISOUME AYTA TA ERWTIMATIKA MAS. ETSI KAI TA PAIDIA STA SXOLEIA MAS, AN OI DASKALOI EINAI KALOI KAI ME OREKSI GIA DOULEIA,( GIA NA PROSFEROUN PRAGMATIKI MORFWSH STA PAIDIA MAS), TA PAIDIA PROCHOROUN KAI MATHAINOUN SWSTA PRAGMATA.
AN OMWS TICHEIS SE KANENAN APO AUTOUS TOUS DASKALOUS POU KOITANE NA ARPAKSOUN MIA THESI STO DIMOSIO KAI NA STROGKILOKATHISOUN STIN KAREKLA TOU DIMOSIOU, TOTE ARCHIZEI KAI CHALAEI TO SYSTIMA. DISTICHOS STIN ELLADA IPARCHOUN PARA POLI APO AUTOUS. KAI ETSI O SIGKEKRIMENOS TIPOS DIDASKALOU, KATHIGITOU GIMNASIOU, LIKEIOU, AKOMI KAI PANEPISTIMIOU OTAN MPENEI STIN AITHOUSA GIA NADIDAKSI, DEN KANEI TIPOTE ALLO APO TO NA YPODIKSEI STA PAIDIA TO PARAKATW MATHIMA, KAI FISIKA EKEI NA TELEIWNEI TIN HMERISIA DIDASKALEIA TOU. ETSI SINANTAME TO FAINOMENO STIN ELLADA, PAIDIA DIMOTIKOU NA PEIGAINOUN SE FRONTISTHRIA GIA NA MPOROUN NA MATHOUN AYTA POU DEN EMATHAN STO SCHOLEIO. FANTASTEITE LOIPON TI GINETE ME TOUS MATHITAS TWN LIKEIWN POU PROSPATHOUN NA KERDISOUN MIA THESI STO PANEPISTIMIO 'H (OR) AKOMI STA T.E.I. APOTELESMA OLWN AYTWN EINAI OTI O ELLINAS GWNIOS SPATALA OLOKLIRES PERIOUSIES GIA NA FTASEI TO PAIDI TOU NA TELEIWSEI TO LYKEIO. KAI APO TIN ALLH MERIA TA PAIDEIA NA SPATALOUN OLI TOUS THN MERA STA THRANIA GIATI META 'H (OR) PRIN TO SCHOLEIO THA EINAI STO FRONTISTIRIO.
TELIKA THA MOU PEITE OTI STO TELIKO APOTELESMA O MATHITIS VGENEI KERDISMENOS, GIATI ME TOSES WRES POU ASCHOLEITE GIA TA MATHIMATA TOU SIGOURA KATI TOU MENEI. ETSI ECHOUME TO FENOMENON OTI OI ELLINES EINAI KALOI STA MATHIMATIKA, STI CHIMEIA, STI FISIKI KAI SE POLLA ALLA MATHIMATA GIA TI S AYTA GINONTAI TA FRONTISTIRIA.
FISIKA OLOI MAS, AKOMI KAI EGW POW TELEIWSA TIS SPOUDES MOU TO 1984 (ELECTRONICS, COMPUTERS HARDWARE), I SKEPSI MAS ITAN KAI EINAI OI SPOUDES STO EKSWTERIKO. NAI MEN STIN EUROPI ALLA OI PERISSOTEROI VLEPOUME TIN AMERIKI. DEN DOKIMASA DEN KSERW GIA TIN AMERIKI ALLA APO PROSWPIKES EMPIRIES ME SINATHROPOUS APO DIAFORA MERI TOU PLANITI POLLES FORES ECHO STATHEI ANTAKSIOS TOUS KAI POLES FORES KAI KALLITEROS TOUS PANW STIN DOULEIA MOU.

TELIKO SIMPERASMA KATA TIN GNWMH MOU.... I EKPEDEFSI STIN ELLADA EINAI SXETIKA KALH ALLA ECHEI MEGALO OIKONOMIKO KOSTOS....EITE STA DIMOSIA SCHOLEIA.... EITE STA IDIOTIKA SCHOLEIA.

PROSOPIKI SIMBOULI...........
ESEIS TOU EKSWTERIKOU KRATISTE KALA TON ELLINISMO, DWSTE MEGALLITERO VAROS STIN ELLINIKI PAIDIA, DIADOSTE TIN ISTORIA MAS KAI TA ARCHAIA ELLINIKA KEIMENA, KALWNTAS ELLINES DASKALOUS, KATHIGITES, AKOMH KAI OMILITES ME GNWSH STHN ISTORIA KAI TIN PARADOSI MAS GIATI SE MAS EDW STIN ELLADA SE LIGA CHRONIA DEN THA IPARCHOUN KATHOLOU AFTA TA MATHIMATA.

FILIKA APO TIN ELLADA KAI TIN LARISA

GIORGOSLARISA
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Liberty 
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08-25-03 07:45 PM - Post#10512    

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You're welcome Elenie

Yep Daycare is another difficult subject for parents.
It must be a very difficult decision when a parent decides to take their kids to daycare- i don't know if i would want that for my kids.








 
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