Argostoliotisa
(Member)
Sun Dec 09 2001 09:30 PM
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Afieromeno:

Ston patera mou Kwsta, kai sthn mitera mou Amalia, pou den eiparxoun pia. Sas thimamai stin karekla kathismenous, otan eimoun anevasmeni stin skinh. Esena mpampa, pou mou eftiaxnes ta aggelika ftera otan entynomoun aggelos, kai sena mama, pou mou eraves tis ble tis riges sto aspro foustani otan eimoun ntimeni simaia. "Etsi tha exeis to foustani otan teleiwsei h giorti" mou eleges.

Sta eggonia mou, tin Amalia Kwstantina, 6 xronwn; ton Mpleik, 3 xronwn; kai ton Mpreinten, pou molis ekleise 1; kai tin patrida pou ezisa ta prwta mou 18 xronia,
tin Ellada, tin Kefallonia.

Kai telika, se oses Ellhnikes psyxes thimountai ta paidika mas Xristougenna, ftwxika apo dwra alla gemata apo agapi, synadelfosyni kai allileggih:


1965
Thimamai se kapoio parelthon mia kopelitsa,
me mauri podia kai aspro giaka,
deila stin skinh tou sxoleiou anevasmeni
mesa sta Xristougenniatika skinika,
na apaggelnei auto to pioima pou to egrapse ekeini tote. Kai otan teleiwse, to prosopo flogismeno apo ntropi,
na perimenei ekei san agalma marmarino me tin kardia sto stwma,
na teleiwsoun ta ateleiwta xeirokrotimata.

Pera Ekei...
O ageras fisage apala
ki'ola trigiro legan,
"kati kainourgio tha simvei
s'autin edw tin ktisi"
H fisi htan lamperi--
sygnefa den ipirxan--
kai omws, kapou makria
voi les ki'akougotan.
Den einai agria h voi,
einai glykeia ki'enaria;
einai tragoudi asteriwn,
thimiama anthewn.

Einai kelaidima pouliou
mesa apo tin fwlia tou.
Einai o floisvos tou nerou
se kapoio akrogiali.
Einai o hxos mousikis
apo ourania lyra,
pou epaizan ta daxtyla
kapoiwn mikrwn aggelwn.


Pera ekei eis tin gwnia
pou enonetai o kosmos,
fanike lampsi dynati,
san astrapi gigantia.
Den einai omws astrapi,
mite fwtia evalan.
Einai ouranio to fws
kai apo 'kei erxotan.
Asteri ths Anatolis
einai: kai mes'tin nyxta,
errikse apleto to fws,
san kati na odigai.

Na odigai tin nyxtia
ston skoteino tis dromo?
h mipws kai gia arxigo
to'valan sto feggari?
Mipws metanoiwse o Theos
pou ekame tin nyxta
kai na tin svysi esteile
auto Tou to asteri?
H mipws kai enwthikan
ola mazi t'asteria
kai eftiaksan monax'auto
to dynato ki' atofio?


Kai omws: ekatalava
pws tipota apo touta
den exei simera symvi
s'autin edw thn plasi:
mono oti gennithike
ena ftoxo morouli.

Exei gia stroma Tou sano
kai gia krevvati fatni.
Gia skepasma, gia zestasia,
xouxoulisma twn zown:
twn gaidouriwn kai twn vodiwn
kai apo ta provatakia,
akoma kai twn geladiwn
kai ap'ta mikra mosxaria.
Gia spiti exei mia spilia
me petres kamomeni
kai gia omorfia, tin omorfia
enos gymnou topiou.
Kai omws les ki'omorfainan
ola auta trigyro,
m'ena Tou vlemma monaxa:
me mia mono matia Tou.

Einai yperoxo moro,
omorfo san ton hlio,
ki axtides exei sta mallia
gia stemma perasmenes.
To prosopo Tou rodalo,
ta matia Tou peloria,
les kai ekei mesa xora
o ouranos me t'astra.
Mia galini, ena fws
ouranio, kai Theio,
esteke aplomeno ekei,
panw sto proswpo Tou.
Trigyro Tou htan siwpi
na Ton kalwsorish.
Emeine akouniti h gh
sto Agiasmeno vlemma.


Oi vasiliades eftasan
na Ton kalodextoune
giati kathodigithikan
ap'to lampro asteri.
Dwra tou ferane apla:
xryso, livani, smyrna:
kai ta'valan gonatistoi
panw sto proskefali.
H Manna Tou, kai auth ekei,
mprosta st'agno Tis Teknon,
iksere Pneuma Tou Theou
einai: ki oxi diko Tis.

Twra agno kai tryfero,
aponeto, athwo,
vlepei me matia gelasta
tous katadikastes Tou.

Tha megalwsi to moro
san anthrwpos ftiagmeno,
kai tha didaksi tous laous
sto dromo ths Eirinis.
Kai osoi thymountai tin augi
kai tin dikaiosyni,
kai osoi kratoune tin euxh
pou exei twra sta matia,
tha etoimasoune tin gh
gia kapoia alli mera
pou tha ksanarthi Basilias
twn vasilewn olwn.


Χρονια πολλα και καλα
Με Ειρηνη, Αγαπη και Συναδελφοσυνη

--Ευγενια

Xronia polla kai kala
Me Eirini, Agaph kai Synadelfosini

--Eugenia

[This message has been edited by Argostoliotisa (edited 12-09-2001).]

[This message has been edited by Argostoliotisa (edited 12-10-2001).]

**DONOTDELETE**
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Mon Dec 10 2001 11:40 PM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

dropi na grafontai apo morfomenous anthrwpous tetia piimata....



**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
Mon Dec 10 2001 12:20 PM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Where is the "shame"? Is it a shame to print a poem that was written from a young girl of 16 years old? Is it a "shame" for a poem to be dedicated to dead parents? Is it a "shame" for a sixteen years old girl to write a poem as she perceived something at that time, and now by dedicating that poem to her loving dead parents?

In my humble opinion, it is a shameful, base, cheap, insensitive, inconsiderate and egocentric act for a narrow-minded, and "self-perceived educated" person criticising a young souls view of the world at that time. And more so, if that poem is dedicated to the dead parents.

Look in the mirror, buddy!

sintagmatarxis PRITS, en energeia!



**DONOTDELETE**
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Mon Dec 10 2001 03:17 PM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

o papas o Diamadis ti tis ekane mianis!
Ta podaria sikose kai tis to patikose.
kirie eleison!

pes mas kiala goumene goumene goumene
pes mas kiala na xaris ta rasa pou foris.

Axou kale papaManolh!
"Il8e mia gria grioula gia na xomologi8i
na sou pi ta krimata tis isws kai sixore8i".

"pes tis na xa8i apo ebros mou to ka8arma tis zwis kai tou swmatos mou, giati egw teties grioules oute kan tis suxwrw".

"axou kale papaManwli"
"Il8e mia mikri mikroula gia na xomologi8i
na sou pi ta krimata tis isws kai sixwre8i".

"Pes tis nar8i edo ebros mou o agelos tis psixis kai tou somatos mou, giati ego teties mikroules ola tous ta sixoro"

pes mas kiala goumene goumene goumene
pes mas kialla goumene na xareis ta rasa pou foreis..




**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
Mon Dec 10 2001 05:36 PM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

For Pete's sake, ise kai skeptomeni. Komika ta stixakia sou men, alla katholou preponta de, se ena ena paidiko oneiro pou an mi ti allo einai afieromeno se nekrous agapimenous gonis. Parakalw, na anakalasete!

sintagmatarxis PRITS, en energeia!

Argostoliotisa
(Member)
Mon Dec 10 2001 05:38 PM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Den perimena pote oti autes oi Xristougenniatikes, athwes mnimes, tha prokalousan tetoies adidraseis.

Gia ligo, gia poli ligo--gia tin stigmoula prin diavasw to reply tou Kuriou Prits-- (gia to opeion ton/tin euxaristw apo ta vathei tis kardias mou) ksexastika kai nomiza oti den eimoun se Elliniko forum; oti lathos dromo peira.

Gia sena DROPI: Prwta-prwta, pou ksereis an eimai morfomeni? An h morfosi mas kanei na eimaste toso anedeis, toso aponetoi, toso apoplanimenoi, kalitera na min eimai. Na dropiastw gia ena athwo koritsaki pou egrapse ena pioima gia tin thriskia tou---opoiadipote thriskia kai na htan---na to apaggeilei sto sxoleio tou? H na dropiastw gia tin Ellada mas an katandisame etsi? Kalitera oxi sto ena kai oxi kai sto allo. Yperifani, ant' autou, tha eimai, pou den eimai esi.

Oso gia sena, SKEPTOMENI, fainetai ksexases na skefteis. An to egrafes to pioima auto o,pou allou, tha gelagame mazi, an kai einai vulgar. Edw omws, san apantisi sto poihma pou afierwsa stous athanatous goneis mou kai to opoio milaei oxi gia papades alla gia ton Theo pou autoi oi athwoi, agnoi, kai "amorfotoi" antrwpoi latrepsane oso zousan, edw mesa einai toulaxiston esfalmeno, anarmosto kai aprepis; kai oi goneis sou, an zoune, as einai uperifanoi gia sena. Apo twra, esi, tin siwpi mou tha exeis gia apantisi, se o,ti kai na peis.

Elpizw na einai autes oi anedeies sigkentrwmenes kai sigkekrimenes se ena mono proswpo kai oxi se pollous, genika, Ellines.

Bravo Kurie Syntagmatarhi Prits! Oxi giati eitan twn gwniwn mou to meros pou peires, alla epeidi etsi panta prepei na skeftomaste kai na symberifernomaste, se olous.

--Eugenia



**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
Mon Dec 10 2001 06:39 PM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Argostoliotisa, eilikrina tha prepei na sou zitisw xilia signomi mesa apo to va8os tis kardias mou gia to ek merous mou lathos.

Ta stixakia auta eproorizonto san apantisi sto thema "Stamatiste na malonete." kai oxi sto diko sou thema. Den proseksa oti eimoun sto lanthasmeno forum. Pistepse me pote den tha ekana kati tetoio. Pisteuw apolita, oti panw ap'ola tous nekrous prepei na tous sevomasta, kai akomi perissotero pisteuw sto "paidiko oneiro" (opws leei ke o/h sintagmatarxis PRITS) giati kai nekrous agapimenous opws oloi mas k'egw exw, alla kai tetoia oneira san kai ta dika sou ekana k'egw polla, kathws kanoun kai ta paideia mou twra. Tetoia ieroseleia einai pantelws anarmosth.

Kai pali eilikrina apologoumai kai sou zitw xilia signomi gia to lathos. Kales giortes.

skeptomeni

P.S. Prospathw na to vgalw. Na doume ean tha ta kataferw.

**DONOTDELETE**
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Mon Dec 10 2001 07:45 PM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

PRITS. YOU MAKE ME SICK. YOUR NAME MAKE ME SICK. USING PRITS AS YOU NAME YOU MUST BE SICK AND FILTHY

**DONOTDELETE**
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Mon Dec 10 2001 08:12 PM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.


"...ο μικρός πρίγκιπας ένιωσε καταπληξη. Σκεφτηκε λίγο κ'υστερα ρώτησε τον απολυτο μονάρχη:

"Τι ειδους υπουργό?"

"...υπουργό δικαιοσύνης!"

Και καπως σαστισμένος:
"Μα δεν ειναι κανείς εδώ που θα μπορούσες να δικάσεις!"

"Αυτό δεν το γνωριζει κανένας" ειπε ο βασιλιας. "Ακόμα δεν εχω κάνει το γύρο του βασιλείου μου για να το γνωρίσω....."

"Ω! Μα εγώ είδα", φώναξε ο μικρός πρίγκιπας, που εσκυβε στην αλλη πλεύρα για να ρίξει μια ματια ερευνητική στην αλλη πλευρά του πλανήτη. "Κι εκεί περα δεν υπάρχει κανείς"

"Θα δικάζεις τον ιδιο τον ευατό σου", του απαντησε ο βασιλιάς. "Αυτό ειναι πιο δύσκολο. Κι ειναι πολυ πιο δύσκολο , να καταδικάζεις τον εαυτό σου παρά να κρίνεις και να δικάζεις τους άλλους. ΄Αμα κατορθώσεις να κρίνεις και να δικάσεις σωστά τον εαυτό σου, τότε είσαι ένας ΑΛΥΘΙΝΟΣ ΣΟΦΟΣ" ..."

Αλυθινά σοφή, ευαίσθητη και γενναία εισαι κι εσει skeptomeni αφού αναγνώρισες το λάθος. Συγχαρητήρια!

Και για σενα Αργοστολιοτισα, "it takes a real and proud person, μια αληθινή Ελληνίδα to forgive, especially an honest mistake! And I sincerely believe you have vividly demonstrated such qualities.

sintagmatarxis PRITS, en energeia!



**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
Mon Dec 10 2001 08:36 PM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Lohia ke mena mou ti dinei o Prits.
Isos nomizei oti ginete spoydios me to na
milaei gia ta aeria toy.
ayta gia toys psixologous einai ipolimata apo ti pediki zoi.
Isws argise na bgei apo to giogio toy o kos
Prits...kai toy eminan sto mialo polla..

hehehe

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
Mon Dec 10 2001 08:50 PM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

kapios eklepse to onoma mou kai egrapse gia mena.Egw den anairw tipote apo ayta pou grafw kai lew. An eisai adras esu pou garfeis gia mena eisai gia lipisi.
An eisai ginaika na kaneis prwta mia draskelia apo to toixo..na deis to kosmo pws leitourgei kai meta na milas.

Kai esena kirie Prits de sou peftei logos.
Exeis katebasei to epipedo tis sizitisis toso xamila me to na theleis na mimithis to megalo mas Souri kai Skoko me to na epanalambaneis ta twn aeriwn sou..arketa se akousame ..mipws o KWLOS sou exei megaliteri aksia apo sena kai probalontas ton tou dineis tin idia axia me to upokeimeno sou? ....


ase tous nekrous kirie me tous nekrous..kanenas de ta bazei me tous nekrous..ola auta einai idees twn anthrwpwn..

kalinixta sas Kirie Prits kai esena kirie pou eixes tin anithikotita na grapseis gia mena..

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
Mon Dec 10 2001 10:11 PM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

skeptomeni mi xanis ta logia soy.
Ton exi proskalesi se geyma i kiria to kirio
kai etsi ama gini ayto tha isixasoume apo
to klanopio stixio kirio prits tha faei tha piei kai nistikos tha kimithi mia ke de troi
agelades ala katabroxthizi ginekes...hehehe

sotiris

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
Tue Dec 11 2001 03:39 AM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Xoris pola logia, giati logia edw den pane: Pws katandisame!

Skeptomeni, Sotiri, Loxia, gia sas to lew.

**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
Tue Dec 11 2001 08:46 AM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

na skeptesai prin milas. An ebgaine ayrio enas kai milouse me to onoma sou tha sou elega egw pws tha antidrouses.

kai giayton pou egrapse gia mena exw na pw kati. Isws ekei sta mnimata pou pigenei brei kai ena dakry diko mou.
Alla ti perimeneis apo perikexarakwmenous anthrwpous!!!



**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
Tue Dec 11 2001 02:17 PM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

re file me sixoris poy stenoxorisa ti madamitsa gia to piimatakitis alla 3a protimoysa na to diabazi sta egonakia tis.

akoy re kai apo ena agramato poy exi fai ti zoi toy sti notia afriki..oi xristiani re exoyn kani ta pio pola edw...kai na soy pw kai to allo ..o theos einai enas..gia mena ..
oute pateras me gio pou to theloun oi ebreoi
gia na mas tholonoun ta nera..

madamitsa argostoliotisa grapse oti thelis alla prepei na eisai etimi na akous kai toys alloys kai na akoys kai ti xiroteri kai ti kaliteri kritiki...alla edw exete kanei ena koma pou thamazei o enas ton allo...

a re Ellhnes pou katantisate..


**DONOTDELETE**
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Tue Dec 11 2001 05:19 PM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Vre dropi an eisai agrammatos, pou ta diavases auta pou les? Mipws eirthe o idios o Xristos kai sou ta'pe? Kai tous evraious vre, giati tous malwneis? Pou ksanakoustike oti oi evraioi oi kakomirides kai ekeinoi eipane oti o Xristos einai o yios tou theou?

Berdeftikes mou fainetai

**DONOTDELETE**
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Wed Dec 12 2001 12:32 AM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Francois Marie Arouet (Voltaire): Υπεράσπιση της Ανεξιθρησκίας

Ο Francois κάποτε για να υπερασπίσει το δικαίωμα του ανθρώπου να ακολουθεί όποια θρησκία επιθυμεί έγραψε σε κάποιον: "Δε συμφωνώ ούτε με μία λέξη από όσα λές, αλλά θα υπερασπίζω-και με τίμημα της ζωής μου ακόμη-το δικαίωμα σου ελεύθερα να λές όσα πρεσβεύεις".

Είπε επίσης, αν και θεωρήθηκε άθεος,
"αν δεν υπήρχε Θεός θα έπρεπε να εφεύρουμε ένα Θεό".




**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
Wed Dec 12 2001 03:28 AM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Afieromeno stin Argostoliotisa
(Me alla logia)

W gh! pou tis sklavias to aiwnio skotadi
epanw sou kylistike, san mia kakia vroxi
pou s'errixe ston vourko tis, se travixe ston Adi
kai kei mesa se ekleise xwris na lypithi.

W gh! pou se sklavwsane ta idia ta paidia sou,
auta, pou esy anathrepses me zilo kai storgi.
Touta twra egemisan m'aimata tin podia sou,
sou lerwsan tin opsi sou, sou'skysan tin morfi.

Se misisan: se lerwsan: s'ekapsan gia na paixoun:
tipote den sevastikan: ki auto sou to kormi,
to tylixan, kai tokanan dadi, gia na sou fexoun
stis apwleias tin odo, st'amartwlo strati.

W gh! pou den fovithikan tipote ta paidia sou
ki'oute pote thymithikan thriskeia kai Theo.
W gh! pou evlasfimisan ta Agia Iera sou,
ki oudepote to xeri tous aplwsan ston ftwxo,

w gh! pou ola ta kaka: mageia, kakia, misos
kai moxthiria fwliasan sto xwma sou mazi,
tha fexi kapote gia se, kai thanai tote isws
tis swtirias h stigmi, poly pio lamperi.

W gh! na! se lypithike kai erxetai konta sou
Autos, pou ola ta pathi sou tha diwxi stin stigmi.
Autos, pou'nai swtiria anagki sta paidia sou,
ilios, mes'ta skotadia sou ta fovera, w gh!

Kai twra w gh! gonatise! ki akou tis psalmwdies
pou ap'ta ourania stelnwnte gi'auton to erxomo
Kai twra w gh! stamatise ligo tis anomies
kai steilws' tin elpida sou s'auton ton Lytrwmo!

Giati...w gh!...o Lytrwtis gennithike stin ktisi
Autos pou einai temaxio tou idiou tou Theou
Autos pou twra erxetai emas na voithisi;
h gennisis tou monou mas Swtiros, tou Ihsou.

Kala Xristougenna kai eutixis to Neos Etos!

**DONOTDELETE**
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Wed Dec 12 2001 05:59 AM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

gia esena pou egrapses piima stin Argostoliotisa exw na paw..oti to etos einai eytyxes diorthose to..
episis exw na pw oti an diavazes ti POLITEIA tou Platona tha eblepes mesa apo ena dialogo
oti i poihsh kai h mousikh den einai to zitoumenon stin anazhthsh ths alhtheias...


oso gia ton allon pou egrapse me poly wraia Ellhnika kati apo to Gallo dianooumeno tha elega oti nai exoume to dikaiwma na milame gia opion theo theloume akomi kiayton pou i fadasia mas plathei..alla den exoume to dikaiwma na katastrefoume ena politismo gia ayto to theo mas..kai an eseis theoreite oti o xristoulis einai o theos sas megia sas kai xaras sas...alla o omofylofilos evraios Paulos dieluse ena politismo mazi me tous omoious tou ebraious kai autos htan o ellhnikos politismos me to neo theo pou eishgage...oi Ellhnes eixan theous kai borousan na metallaxthoun mesa apo thn idia tous tin taytothta se ena diko tous theo.
Den eixan anagh oi Ellhnes na tous dosoun oi ebraioi th monotheistiki thriskia na ti kanoun xristianismo...an gnwrizate ligo pws leitourgousan oi ebraioi tha anakaluptate oti akomi kai ton ena theo ton eixan klepsei apo tous Orfikous mas..


alla oloi kseroume pws na diavazoume tous ksenous sygrafeis kai aisthanomaste dropi na meletisoume tous dikous mas prwta...




**DONOTDELETE**
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Wed Dec 12 2001 01:02 PM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Afieromeno stin giagia mou

Xristougenna! W ti xara!
xtypoun glyka oi kampanes.
Kai ta paidakia ta mikra
kratoune tis lampades.

Amalia
6 xronwn



**DONOTDELETE**
(Unregistered)
Wed Dec 12 2001 02:14 PM
Re: Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

mikri Amalia otan tha megalosis elpizo na ma3is tin alithia..3a dis ti pragmatikotita kai an mexri tote exis diabasi ti spilia toy Platona 3a dis oti aytoi poy erxode apo to fws fenonte toso periergoi stoys allous poy zoun sto skotadi...

Pou eisai Perikli na dis ta xalia mas..ade twra esy na kanis to Gianni na alalksi to ebraiko toy onoma. eytyxos pou to Amalia thimizei ti proin basilisa tis Elladas ...

pes ti giagias na sou milisi kai gia to kotso to basilia kardoula mou...




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