oiellines
(stranger)
Sun Jul 06 2003 12:34 PM
OI ELLINES

AGAPITOI APANTAHOU ELLINES GIA SAS. EIMAI APO THN LARISA KAI TO ONOMA MOY EINAI GIORGOS. ASXOLOYME POLY ME THN ELLINIKI ISTORIA KAI TON ELLINISMO. POLY THA EITHELA OLOI MAS NA ASXOLITHOYME ME AYTO TO THEMA GIATI TA TELEYTAIA CHRONIA GINETE PROSPATHEIA NA MAS EKSAFANISOYN TON ELLINISMO ENTOS KAI EKTOS ELLADOS. THA EIMAI ANOIKTOS NA MILISO GIA AYTA TA THEMATA SE OPION THELEI. EFHARISTO


GiorgosAdministrator
(Admin)
Tue Jul 08 2003 11:37 AM
Re: OI ELLINES

Kalosorises kai perimenw na diavasw themata sou.

O Ellinismos den esvise xiliades xronia kai oute prokeitai na svish. Pantws yparxoun megaloi kindinoi kai kalo einai na exoume ta matia mas anoixta apo tis diafores propagandes.


giorgoslarisa
(stranger)
Thu Jul 10 2003 02:08 PM
Re: OI ELLINES

EFCHARISTO GIA TO KALOSORISMA.
EIMAI APO THN LARISA KAI ZO ME THN OIKOGENEIA MOY EDO. ASXOLOUME POLY ME TON ELLINISMO KAI THN ISTORIA TOU. POLI THE EITHELA MESA APO AYTO TO SITE NA AKOUSTOUN THEMATA GIA THN VELTIOSI TIS PROVOLHS TOU ELLINISMOU KAI TIS ISTORIAS TOU.
PERIMENO THEMATA * GNOMES * EROTISEIS.-


GiorgosAdministrator
(Admin)
Thu Jul 10 2003 08:24 PM
Re: OI ELLINES

Aftos einai kai o skopos mas, na proothisoume kai na provaloume tin Elliniki Istoria kai ton Ellinismo.

File Giorgo - synonomate, tinxanei episis na katagomai apo tin Thessalia, apo ton nomo Larissis.

Kane loipon mia arxi kai polloi pistoi tha akolouthisoume.

Se xairetw


giorgoslarisa
(stranger)
Sun Jul 13 2003 05:22 AM
Re: OI ELLINES

AGAPITE GIORGO HEROME POY KAI ESEI KATAGESE APO TIN PERIOCHI TIS THESSALIAS.
LIPON GIA NA ARCHISOUME PISTEVO NA KSEREIS OTI OI PROTOI ANTHROPOI POU ENFANISTIKAN STI GI EINAI STIN PERIOXI TIS THESSALIAS KAI SIGKEKRIMENA STIS PERIOCHES GIRO KAI STIS PLAGIES TOU OLIMPOU. OPOU ZOUSAN OI OLIMPIOI THEOI, OI IMITHEOI, OI MOUSES K.L.P.
EKEI LIPON ENFANISTIKAN OI PELASGOI.............. PERIMENO SINECHEIA..........


GiorgosAdministrator
(Admin)
Sun Jul 13 2003 09:43 AM
Re: OI ELLINES Protohellenic Tribes

Nai, an kai apo oti 3erw tha elega oti O nomos Magnisias einai i vasi twn Pelasgwn ( PHLIO)

Meta apo ligo research sto internet vrika kati.


The protohellenic tribes


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A lot of the information concerning the movements of populations in the area of Hellas, were maintained in the people's tradition through mythology. That's how Herodotus (History) and Thucydidis (Archaeology-History) learned that kind of information. Thukydidis is the most detailed source of info for us, and many of his sayings were verified by relative archaeological findings. So, based on Thoukydidis and with the combination of existing archaeological evidence we can have a quite good picture concerning the movements of populations in the area of Hellas.

Even by the time of the Early Bronze Age (2800-1900BC) some non-hellenophon indo-european tribes had moved in the area (Aemones, Pelasgoi, Dryopes). The main group of Hellenophon indo-european (Protohellenes) people was settled in the area of Thessalia, W.Macedonia and Epiros at about 2100-1900BC. That's where the basic dialectical differences of those people's common language were formed. During the Middle Bronze Are (1900-1600BC), while in Crete we have a remarkable civilization's development and the spread of the Minoan trade all over the E. Mediterranean, in the Greek mainland we have a limitation of the communications, and the come-back of the closed farming economy, caused by the appearance of the protohellenic tribes. There were no walls around the settlements as it is concluded by the archaeological research and also mentioned by Thukydidis.

Basically we can divide these protohellenic tribes into 3 groups, based on their location:

1:SW group (in NW Thessaly), Iones
2:Eastern group (in W Macedonia), Arcadian dialect, Aeolean dialect
3:Western group (in N Epirus), Makednoi and others
Around 1900BC the Iones lived in the areas of NW Thessalia, and later moved to Evoia, Attica and Peloponnissos, and afterwards the Achaeans, Lapithes form the eastern group. Later they developed the Mycenaec civilization. They further expanded to the Aegean islands and Asia Minor, and destroyed Troia after the Trojan War. The movement of the Dorians to the South, that occurred later (11th century BC) led the Iones, basically of Attica, to move to SW Asia Minor (1st colonization), where they created a colony (Militos) and gave the name Ionia to that area. In 1200BC the Thessalians pressured the Voiotoi who moved from their original home Arni, between Epiros and Thessalia, to the South and settled near Attica, in a place that was later named as Voiotia. According to Thukydidis that happened 60 years after the Trojan War.

Meanwhile the Makednoi, of the western group, were split into 4 groups:

One group that settles in Dorida (Dorians)
One group that moves from Dorida to Peloponnissos
One group that moves to Thessaly
The Macedonians that settle in Macedonia
Those movements of the Makednoi are described by Herodotus:

"...For in the days of king Defkalion it (i.e. a Makednian tribe) inhabited the land of Phthiotis, then in the time of Doros, son of Hellin, the country called Histaeotis, under Ossa and Olympus; driven by the Cadmeians from this Histaeotis country it settled in Pindos with the name Makednoi; thence again it migrated to Dryopida, and at last came from Dryopida into Peloponnissos, where it took the name Dorians..."
Herodotus I,56,3
Historian, 484-426BC

Because of the mountains of Ossa, Olympos and Kamvounia the Macedonians lived geographically isolated from the other Greeks until the 8th century BC. During the 7th-6th century BC they spread to the East, crossed the Axios river, and entered Chalkidiki.



giorgoslarisa
(stranger)
Sun Jul 13 2003 11:07 AM
Re: OI ELLINES Protohellenic Tribes

Sosta ta osa diabases, alla apo tin erminia twn ksenwn sigrafewn.
Autoi pou ta grafoun auta den einai tipote allo apo "MISELLINES". Ti onoume me auto.
O "MISELLINISMOS" archise apo tote pou oi laoi tis Europis emathan apo tous Ellines na kathontai se karekles, na trwne se trapezia mageiremeno kreas, na xrisimopioun loutro, sapouni kai na prospathoun na katalaboun ti einai o "ELLINIKOS LOGOS KAI TO EY ZEIN". Den mporoun na eisichasoun epidei ola ta anakalipsan oi ELLINES kai den afisan perithoria stin Techni tin Epistimi kai ton Politismo. (D. Vardikos)
Oson afora to thema tou INDOEUROPAIKOU or GERMANO-AREIAS laou parathetw ta pio katw:
* J THEOFILOS BAJER: Germanos glwsologos (1694-1932) < H sanskritiki-archaia indiki dialektos, proilthe apo tin anamiksi tis Ellinikis me tin Indiki>
* J CASTTERGIC : Sichronos Indos archaologos < Oi rizes mou proerchonte apo tous "EGEOUS"... eksou kai EGEO PELAGOS.... kai eidikotera apo tous DRAVIDES.... Patrida twn Dravidwn einai H Kriti. Apo ta Ellinika nisia ksekinisan prin polles chiliades chronia oi progonoi mas kai rizosan sthn India. O Indikos politismos thn ekseliksi tou, ofeilei ta megista stous DRAVIDES.
* VICTOR BERAR : Gallos archaiologos - Filologos.(1866-1932). < Einai aparetito na apovaloume apo to mnimoniko mas thn aniparkti indoeuropaiki theoria. Stous autocthones ELLINES anikei h Mithologia kai h Proistoria ths Mesogeiou>
* EDUARD MAGER : Germanos kathigitis panepistimiou.(1855-1930). < Aganaktw kai thlibome apo tis pismatikes prospathies twn sichronwn mou, na theorisoume pws oi Phinikes isan oi foreis tou megalou politismou stin Mesogeio prin apo tous ELLINES. Den iparchei Istoriko kai Kalitechniko mnimeio pou na mas afisan autoi oi Phinikes.>

Giorgo perimenw tin sinecheia.
Echo polla akomi. Pistevw kai Esei.

Me filikous Cheretismous apo thn Ellada.
Giorgos Larisa


GiorgosAdministrator
(Admin)
Sun Jul 13 2003 02:14 PM
Re: OI ELLINES Protohellenic Tribes

Einai gegonos pws exoun blexei mesa to INDOEUROPAIKO stixio. Egw exw pio trelles thewries pou isws kapote pw.
Apla thewries.

Oi Pelasgoi pistevw den exoun kamia sxesi me tin INDO EUROPAIKI bourda.

Opws kai oi ypolipoi Ellines. Pws egine diladi? aftoi oi anthrwpoi apla ta paratisan ola? koultoura, poleis, xwria, kai apla irthan kai egatastathikan stin Ellada? xwris ixnos parelthontos? Ektos kai an milame gia kapia megali katastrofi pou tous anagase na metakomisoun xwris na afisoun ixni.

Alla kai pali kapia anafora tha ipirxe apo tous tote metanastes gia tin proin patrida tous.

mipws yparxei kati pou den to 3erw.... den ta 3erw ola fisika, apla ypothetw.

Tha sinexizw na vriskw diafora sto internet kai tha kanw post oti nomizw endiaferon, tha xarw na kaneis(kanoume) tis diorthwseis, einai poly simantiko kai poly wraio thema.


giorgoslarisa
(stranger)
Thu Jul 17 2003 12:23 PM
Re: OI ELLINES Protohellenic Tribes

Giorgo geia sou.
Sygnomin gia tin kathisterisi alla eimoun taksidi ektos Ellados.
Loipon gia na teleionoume to thema twn Indoeuropewn.
Proswpika den ipirksan pote files indo-europewn or Indo-ariwn oute kai alles glwses ektos apo thn Elliniki.
O mithos autos ofeilete ston Jaimes Parsons pou to 1767 basistike sthn christianiki mesaioniki mithologia gia tin archi tou kosmou kai dimosieuse mia meletime titlo : "The remains of japhet, being historical enquiries into the affinity and origins of the European languages". Ipostirikse oti eimaste eggonia twn pediwn tou NOE. Echoume oloi tin idia katagogi kai i istoria tis anthropotitas echei zoi mono 4004 xronia B.C. Auti thn theoria distichos iothetisan distichos schedon oloi oi Europaioi apo tote , epeidi den ipeirche antilogos apo Ellinikis pleuras. Den mas eipe vevaia o Parsons a) pioi itan autoi oi Indo-Europaioi. b) pou zousan? c)poion politismo eichan kai pou ton dimiourgisan? d) pia istorika kai politistika stoichia afisan? Giati pws einai dinaton enas toso megalos "pateras" politismos na eksafanisthei xwris na afisei stoixeia, ichnei kai paradosi opws echoume "EMEIS OI ELLINES"?????


giorgoslarisa
(stranger)
Fri Jul 18 2003 12:41 PM
Re: OI ELLINES Protohellenic Tribes. - OI SIMERINEI ELLINES APOGONOI TWN ARCHAIWN.

Giorgo geia sou,
OI SIMERINOI ELLINES EINAI ANAMFISVITITA APOGONOI TWN ARCHAIWN.
Oi geneologikoi istoi twn Ellinwn echoun riza apo tous panarchaious EGEOUS theous tou OLIMPOU. Oi istorikes paradoseis kai oi archaiologikes endikseis katagrafoun: Oi Ellines einai gigeneis tou Egeou chorou apo ta makra proistorika chronia. Pote den egkatastathikan sto Egeo anthropoi, laoi, files apo alla meri tou kosmou kai me alli glwssa kai grafi, choris desmous me tous Ellines. Antitheta , megales omades Ellinwn oles tis epoches metanastefsan kai metanastevoun sinechos mechri kai stis meres mas se diafora meri tou kosmou. Metaferoun ton Elliniko tropo zois "ZHN KAI EY ZHN" kai dimiourgoun politistika kentra.

H GLWSSA KAI H ELLINIKH GRAFH"

Simfona me tis katagrafes pou echoun ginei ston computer IVICOS tou penepistimiou Irvain tis Kalifornias, i Elliniki Glwssa einai i plousioterh apo oles pou ipirksan sti Gi. Os twra echoun katagrafei a) Elliniki Glwssa = 6.340.000 protogeneis lekseis kai 72.220.000 paragwges or deuterevouses lekseis opws gia paradeigma apo tin leksi Theos paragonte theo-genis, theo-ktistos, theo-morfos, theo-ratos, theo-filis, k.l.p. b) Aggliki glwsa = 498.000 lekseis kai 315.000 technikis orologias apo tis opies to 90% echoun Elliniki riza.
H teleioteri kai archaioterh glwssa kai grafi se olon ton kosmo einai h ELLINIKI. Auto apodikniete synechos ta teleftea chronia meta apo anakalipseis archeologwn se olwn to kosmo
kai bgainei to simperasma oti telika h Elliniki Glwssa me tis 6.340.000 protogeneis lekseis, daneise stis alles glwsses enw opws prokiptei mono 6% (peripou 100.000 lekseis) einai koines me tis alles legomenes Indoeuropaikes glwsses. Mia apli skepsi pou mporei na kanei enas aplos anthrwpos sxetika me tin genisi kai tin ekseliksi tis Ellinikis Glwssas einai oti apo tin epochi to PERIKLEOUS (500 b.c) (Chrisos Aiwnas tou Perikleous) epochi me thn megalliteri anatasi tou graptou ELLINIKOU LOGOU, echoun perasei 2.500 chronia. Entometaksi i technologiki ekseliksi apo tote mechri simera sta mesa grafis kai epikoinwnias einai terastia!!!!! H ELLINIKI grafi omos sta tosa chronia oute veltiothike oute ekselichthike eno antitheta parapiithike kaiegine pio ftochi. Etsi loipon ftanoume sto symperasma oti toulachiston then tha chriastike chronos pano apo 40 fores megaliteris thiarkias apo ta 2.500 chronia eos oute ftasei sto apokorifomatis tis klassikis epochis tis Ellados to 500 b.c. O Ellinikos logos echei mia akseperasti plirwtita gnwseis, pou chari se autin oi dianooumenoi tis Gis paragoun pneumatika erga.
*** Federico Krutwig Sagredo : " H meleti kai i chrisi autis tis diethnous Glwssas kathista ton anthrwpo ikano na aggiksei ta anwtata pneumatika epipeda"

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