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Ενοπλοι θα είναι μόνο οι φρουροί της χώρας που διοργανώνει τους Αγωνες---Γ. Αγγελοπούλου 4.6.04
Συμφωνώ!
Ενοπλοι θα είναι και οι συνοδοί των Αμερικανών, τών Εγγλέζων και των Ισραηλινών αθλητών.---Τύπος της περασμένης εβδομάδας
Ξανασυμφωνώ!
Οι Ελληνικές αρχές είναι ικανές απο μόνες τους να διαφυλάξουν την ασφάλεια των Ολυμπιακών Αγώνων---Περσυνά δημοσιεύματα εφημερίδων
Συμφωνώ χωρίς σκέψη!
Το ΝΑΤΟ με την συνδρομή μυστικών υπηρεσιών της Ελλάδας και άλλων χωρών θα αναλάβει την αφάλεια των ΟΑ---Φετεινά δημοσιεύματα εφημερίδων
Και πάλι συμφωνώ!
«Εμείς είμαστε εδώ για να συνδράμουμε σε αυτή την προσπάθεια» (της αφάλειας των ΟΑ---Τ. Μίλλερ, χθές
Δεν μπορώ παρά να συμφωνήσω και μ' αυτόν!
.... υπογραμμίζοντας την άνευ προηγουμένου δαπάνη 1,2 δις δολαρίων, την ανάπτυξη προσωπικού ασφαλείας 70 χιλιάδων ανδρών, την διεθνή συνεργασία και την νατοϊκή συνδρομή....---Ν. Μπακογιάννη, προχθές
Συμφωνώ απολύτως!
Μ' αυτό όμως που δεν σμφωνώ, είναι η απόπειρα εμπαιγμού του Ελληνικού λαού από την νύν και την τέως κυβέρνηση που μη έχοντας το θάρρος να αναλάβουν την ευθύνη των πραξεών τους προσπαθούν να μας πείσουν πως είμαστε ελέφαντες.
Και φυσικά θα υπάρχουν ξένοι ένοπλοι σωματοφύλακες. Και φυσικά το ΝΑΤΟ θα ευρίσκεται διακριτικά παντού, πάνοπλο. Και φυσικά η συνοδεία του πατρός Μπούς θα είναι οπλισμένη σαν αστακός.
Και ερωτώ:-- και τι έγινε δηλαδή;-- θα χαλάσει η συνταγή;--θα μειωθεί μήπως το κύρος της ΕΛ.ΑΣ ή των φαντάρων που θα περιπολούν τους δρόμους;---ή μήπως έρχονται 50-100 σωματοφύλακες για να μας κατακτήσουν;---ή δεν σκοπεύουν να φύγουν άρον-άρον καμμιά δεκαριά μέρες αργότερα;
Τελικά η εθνική μας αξιοπρέπεια για ορισμένους ανεγκέφαλους, εξαρτάται απο την συνοδεία που θα έχουν οι αποστολές 2-3 κρατών και όχι απο την δική μας Συνέπεια, Υπευθυνότητα και Σοβαρότητα. Και την Εμπιστοσύνη που εμπνέουμε!
Βέβαια παραμένει το μεγάλο ερώτημα,... ο κίνδυνος απώλειας της εθνικής μας ανεξαρτησίας;
Ρώτησα την δωδεκάχρονη κόρη μου και δεν μου απάντησε, με κύτταξε μισοπαράξενα-μισοειρωνικά και συνέχισε να παίζει με το Nitendo της!
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Sorry I don't understand the part you don't agree with,
are you saying that you don't like The United States
and NATO protecting and providing security at the Olympic games
because it may make your lives uncomfortable
for 2 weeks? I think that's pretty selfish.
Personally as Greek American it would
make me feel much more
safer having Army guards from U.S.A and other countries
providing security.
I don't think Greeks should view this as them
not being capable protecting it's citizens and guests,
even though they have a hard time controlling soccer matches at times,
and they also shouldn't view this as them not feeling "free" because
of the army presence, they should feel safe
Europe fails to recognize this or turns the other cheek because
they may feel they are not in danger but the truth is the entire world
is in danger from terrorists, they are fooling themselves if they think
Arab terrorists would spare them.
My fears:
The sad fact is Greece has a very large Muslim population
furthermore it's very close to the middle east
and we have no idea who or what got through the Albanian,
turkey and other borders that surrounds Greece.
Some of the Arab citizens who live in Greece (illegally I may add)
hate Americans
and Jewish people they are fanatics add them with the
communists anti-Americans and you have a dangerous situation.
Heard a Greek radio host say although he lives
in Athens sometimes he feels like he lives in Sudan or Iraq
with so many Arab illegal citizens walking the streets.
And I'm scared of that.
I'll give you an example. After Nick Berg was beheaded in
Iraq, Alpha TV station interviewed an Iraqi man who lives
in Greece, he was very angry toward Americans because
he lost family members in Iraq
and said that Nick Berg's murder was justified and that if he
was there tha ton ekane komatakia!!!!
the Anchor tried to reason with him that Nick Berg was an innocent
civilian who went there to help his people not hurt them but he was
falling on deaf ears this guy looked like a maniac and kept on threatening
Americans, what if someone like that hears me speaking in English and
tries to kidnap me or try to harm me???if Army presence is present
criminals will think twice before attempring to
do something like that.
The more security the better
when a country accepts the task of hosting an
important event like the Olympics you also have
the responsibility to provide as much security as possible,
the world
is much different than it was 4 years ago.
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Anonymous
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Liberty, this is the first time I see you writing with some sense.
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Sardanapalos
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Mantamouazel alla leei to karampouzouklopaido alla les esy. vale kanena filo sou na sou to matafrasei giati exw arxisei kai afiniazw otan ta anakatoneis. Wrwvouar kai pola filakia apo to trigwno tou velzevouli
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USAfilofovos
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In reply to:
Τελικά η εθνική μας αξιοπρέπεια για ορισμένους ανεγκέφαλους, εξαρτάται απο την συνοδεία που θα έχουν οι αποστολές 2-3 κρατών και όχι απο την δική μας Συνέπεια, Υπευθυνότητα και Σοβαρότητα. Και την Εμπιστοσύνη που εμπνέουμε!
Φίλτατε,
Ο κορμός της ασφάλειας και της αξιοπρέπειας της Ελλάδας είναι ακλόνητος διότι δεν συμμετέχει στην αγέλη των κατακτητών που σπέρνει τη καταστροφή στη Μέση Ανατολή και ληστεύει τον ενεργειακό της πλούτο. Ο κόσμος στη Μέση Ανατολή -και όχι μόνο- σέβεται, αγαπά και ελπίζει στη μικρή μας Ελλάδα.
Όλα τα άλλα περί συστημάτων μέτρων και σταθμών ασφαλείας γίνονται και λέγονται για πολιτικό και οικονομικό εκβιασμό της πατρίδας.
Oλωσδιόλου δικός σου,
USAff
07.06.2004
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George 77
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Ok lets say the more security the better, BUT we cannot feel safe with the interference of the U.S. Simply, because they cannot guard their own terriitory (Remember 9/11....). Now if they failed then , why would it be different now??
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Anonymous
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And Greece hasn't failed? How many terrorists attacks occurred
from NOV 17 over the 20 plus years in Greece? Answer: Many.
and against who? American and British citizens and Greek
rich citizens.
Unfortunately many countries around the world have 'failed'
where terrorism is concerned but that's only because you don't know
who your enemy is, terrorism is dark and unknown, and then they are some countries who support and harbor terrorism and do nothing about it, at war time at least you know who your enemy is, you know you will be fired at and vice versa.
Not in my wildest dreams did I ever imagine a group of thugs who lived and worked in a country that welcomed them with open arms to hijack planes and use them to kill thousand of innocent people.
What's different now is we are more aware of terrorism and we have learned a tough
painful lesson from 9 11 and have taken steps to prevent another tragic event from happening not only in U.S soil but around the world, and one of those steps is extra security. For it to work Europe needs to work together with the U.S than disagreeing with it, after all a unified U.S & Europe did bring down Hitler and it can be done with Terrorism too.
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Anonymous
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Sardanapalos why don't you translate it to me ?  
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Olympics-bound
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The country most complaining, bemoaning, and bitching ad nauseum about Olympics security is the U.S. Here's an idea: how about the U.S. just stay the heck home and let the rest of the world enjoy two weeks of peace, sportsmanship, and fun?
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Here is a thought for you to ponder upon:
Without the U. S and our $$$$$$$$$$
your Olympics would be the biggest disaster in history.
The mayor of Athens was here the other day trying to sell
Olympic tickets.
And the U. S is not the only country that expressed security concerns so did Australia, Sweden and other European countries,,,..anway being concerned for the safety of the Athletes it's not bitching or complaining to me.
Bitching and complaining to me is what some of your citizens are doing like, them going broke after the Olympics even though they haven't even started, how they won't be able to get around because of all the traffic and tourists,
complaing that is U. S providing security etc,.....
Maybe you should check with your
Government first before uninviting Countries
to the Olympics, because your officials have been all
over our news promoting and inviting American citizens to Greece.
I have an idea though, if you feel so strongly about it why don't you get the heck out of Greece for 2 weeks and let all
loving peaceful people around the world to enjoy the Olympics .
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SYMFWNW ME AYTA POU SE PROBLIMATIZOUN ALLA KALUTERA ETSI PARA NA EPIRRIPTOUN META TIS EYTHYNE SMONO STHN ELLADA. STO KATW KATW AN SUMBEI KATI AS EXOUN OLOI THN EYTHYNH . ARKETA EXOUME BASANISTHEI OLOI MAS ME TA KAMWMATA TOUS..EKEINO POU DEN MAS EIPES AN ANAMESA SE AYTOUS POU KANOUN SECURITY KAI ENNOW TOUS XENOUS DEN BRISKETAI KAI KANEAS TROMOKRATHS PLHRWMENOS APO TOU S IDIOUS. DEN EXW EBISTOSYNH ANTHRWPE MOU SE KANENA APO AYTOUS TOUS DIETHNEIS KATASKOPOUS TIS EIRINIS.
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Anonymous
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I thought this forum was for Greeks/Greek-Americans yet your constant reference to "your" implies you are not Greek. Point proven everyone. Liberty is 100% American and an embarrassing representation of GAs. I'm surprised you know who the mayor of Athens is...
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George 77
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17 NOV acted for 20 yrs and killed sth like 20-25 ppl .Now , if u r sane u cannot compare 17 nov with al qaida. They managed to destroy U.S .Even if we agree and say that both Greece and U.s failed , why should we pick u.s to help us??? They messed up in the Atlanta games (probably the worst ever....) and the example of 9 /11 is humiliating the U.s security sector.
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Sardanapalos
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Mpagasopaido eise ektos 8ematos pali me Arabes kai mesi Anatoli ta evales.
Ti 8a ginei me keino to oxtapodion kai ton oino Samou?
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Ignorance is a bliss, my friend. Just enjoy it as much as you can. Greece did a wonderful job preparing for the Olympic games, and the games, I am confident, will be "the best ever." Yet, we need recognize the help others provide to
Greece.
Other countries/cities, before Athens, were not facing the same issues we face today. You have nothing much to do but look around you and see what is happening. I am not putting any blame who is responsible for all that, this is a very complex and controversial issue. What I am trying to say is that we should be appreciating the help others offer to us.
Let's not be frivolous and reactive. I am glad the Greek government sees this issue a bit differently. We need the help of others and more so of the USA. This is why Karamanlis wanted to see Bush, this is why Bakogiani went to USA, this is why Gianna pleads for American help, this is why we want the US and NATO security forces in Greece, this is why we want the US technology to complete the project. Greece is a small country to face and minimize to day's risks. After all, we want to acknowledge it or not, it is the US dollar (visitors) that will move the economy during those two weeks.
Sleep well.
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Greek government could pick, lets say Al Fatah, or Hamas for security, or perhaps Albanians, Bulgarians, French and any other country you may think. They choose, however, US simply because they are the best in this area, you like it or not. Tough as it is for you, you have no other choice but to swallow it. Yet, I am glad the Greek government does not think the way you do.
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George 77
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I really dont mind if u.s interferes. I dont really care. What i say , is that the involvement of U.S will probably worsen the things. The E.u can develop the security measures that we need .The involvement of U.S will not offer anything important to Greece. Thats all.
p.s: Try to relax , u dont represent U.S foreign policy as u may think.
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USAfilofovos
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Mpagasopaido eise ektos 8ematos pali me Arabes kai mesi Anatoli ta evales.
Ti 8a ginei me keino to oxtapodion kai ton oino Samou?
SARDELAX, το χταποδακι αν δεις το παλιό ποστ, αντιστοιχεί στη δική σου συμβολή στο φαγοπότι (αντικαθιστά το ψάρι που ο ίδιος αρχικά πρότεινες).
Όσον αφορά την εμβάθυνσή σου στο παρόν θέμα, φαίνεται πως τελείως πρόσφατα έχεις καταναλώσει ολόκληρο το δέμα με τον σαμιώτικο οίνο που σου έστειλα.
Χταπόδι για την ώρα βλέπω μόνο στο "animal planet"
Μετ' ανυπολογίστου τιμής,
USAff
09.06.2004
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Anonymous
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Egw nomizw kalitera , tha sinfwnisw !
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Sardanapalos
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Exw arxisei kai afiniazw kai me senane mpagasopaido. eipame sarde aneu laks mipws eisai anepidektos ma8isews?
To 8ema to emvan8yna alla varieme na grafw, ase pou kounaei to pleoumeno
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