Careless Whisper
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Shame on Greece for spending so much money on such complex security against possible terrorist attack, and not having enough common sense to secure the games against individual malcontents or idiots such as the stupid defrocked Irish priest who pushed de Lima off the marathon course. How horrible for us! Yes, we acted swiftly to make sure that de Lima was on his way again and unscathed, but it could have been a tragedy had this "dumbass" actually been carrying a knife or a gun. I think de Lima should be awarded a medal for bravery and for not criticizing Greece's lack of security. Weren't customs officers scanning the airline passengers entering Greece? This guy disrupted the British LeMans race and should that have not been put on his Interpol file as being a prospective nutcase at sporting events? I guess we are too busy looking for the odd muslem extremist and miss the bleeding obvious! Thank god for the brave spectators who helped de Lima out and set him back on his course. I feel that Greece should honour de Lima by awarding him an "honorary gold medal" as it did happen on Athenian streets in plain view of countless police and security officers. He should be invited back to Athens and awarded the keys to the city for not criticizing the games and for being such a gentleman about the situation. He truly embodies the attitude of the Olympic spirit and deserves a second Gold!
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anongirl
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I'm in total agreement with you CW , very good post 
That's why I support and I'm in favor of PROFILING not just in the U. S but worldwide, but guess who opposes it? Democrats , Socialists and Muslims, but anyway back to the topic, if this nutcase was profiled from his nativeland he wouldn't be allowed to travel anywhere, Lima was such a gentleman about the whole thing and he has filed a complaint with the IOC about this incident,
I hear he may be jailed for a year in Greece.
I know I would be so scared if that happened to me I wouldn't be able to function let alone get up and race again, he deserves 2 gold medals for doing that!! The whole thing reminded me of that German nutcase tennis fan who stamped tennis star Monica Seles a few years ago-her career wasn't the same after that she used to be the #1 player in the world when she was attacked.
I know Lima was presented a special award but I would give him a gold medal too  
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Careless Whisper
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Anongirl, you seem to have missed my point entirely! I never said he should have been "profiled" as that term is an extremely offensive racist term. "Profiling" means to label a person due to what he looks like physically! What I meant is an actual criminal interpol record, which is totally different than a racist profiling thing. I am vehemently opposed to profiling! It serves no purpose whatsoever and does not make us feel safe in the least! In fact, it promotes hatred. I work in the legal profession and I know something about international law. Interpol is the International Police Agency that looks out for criminals and "would-be criminals" regardless of race, colour, creed, sex, etc. This defrocked irish priest should have a criminal record for disturbing the Grand Prix in England and thereby it is entered into a databank of known "psychos" or world event violators. When you enter into a country, the bar code on the passports that get swiped at the customs desk gives the customs officer your criminal record and/or any relevant history. This crazy nut has now been charged and found guilty by the Greek government of disrupting the race and therefore he is now into the criminal databank of known international criminals, (to make it clearer, he purposely travelled to another country to commit a crime). If he tries it again now that there is such a record, the customs officers will not, in their right minds, let him into their country. What I meant to say originally is, that had the British done their jobs properly in the first place, perhaps, just perhaps, this foul would not have had to cost de Lima his Gold Medal and cast a shadow over the Italian runner's worthiness to deserve the Gold.
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anongirl
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I didn't miss your point I was making my point call it what you like -profiling is profiling don't care if it's criminal or racial and no i's not racial offensive at all , given the world we live in today with so many terrorists running around loosei rather be safe or sorry .
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Careless Whisper
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Profiling is not legal nor is it recognized by any government. It is extremely racist and offensive and anongirl, you have just provided the prime example of why Americans are considered to be offensive to the rest of the world. When you have committed a crime, you have a criminal record. Profiling entails stopping people and incarcerating them when they have no such record at all, but just because they "look" like a criminal, or might be considered someone who could be a bad person just because he has, say, black skin. If you still can't understand the difference of profiling, let me illustrate to you further: A saudi arabian Canadian doctor was a victim of such profiling by a US-Canada customs boarder guard who had absolutely no evidence that this person was remotely tied to any terrorist or criminal group. This doctor didn't so much as have a traffick ticket, yet he was detained, strip-searched, questioned for 72 hours, with no food or water, and then finally released back to Canada after he demanded to speak to Canadian officials and he was repeatedly turned down. You would not have such a high opinion of racial profiling had you been born a person of colour, or if your religion was not considered a "main stream religion", etc. Say, the US decides to racially profile Greeks - what will you say then? I think you need to re-examine your opinions and values before you begin to assume that I am in any way, shape or form in agreement with you. Just to clarify it for you again, I VEHEMENTLY AM IN DISAGREEMENT WITH YOU!
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anongirl
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Sorry if i come off offensive to you because that is not my intent
but if racial profiling of a certain group prevents terrorists attacks to the country i was born and live in, and if it means keeping my family friends neighbors safe then I'm all for it even if i come off as an offensive American-I'd rather take that chance than come off as an "amerikanaki" like some would like me to come off to pathame once (911) not ever again!!
You're a Canadian and you don't understand
i went through 9-11 and i don't ever want to see it happen again.
I'm sorry the Saudi-Canadian doctor had to go through that
but unfortunately some people do look alike and he could have been easily been mistaken for someone else, I hope the Saudi doctor directs his anger toward the right people which are Muslim fanatics who are continuing to kill innocent people and making life hard for good living Arabs. They need to speak up so all of this stops.
Our Government has a very valid reason for wanting racial profiling,
do you know what we keep arresting terrorists who had plans
to attack either subways or malls? They keep coming into
the country and most of them not with good intent but only
to kill. They have been warned plenty of times and they don't listen.
Well, I for one I'm proud of my Greek heritage and I'm glad it doesn't have the need to be profiled, and I will do whatever it takes to keep it that way.
Disagree with me as much as you want after all that is what Freedom of speech is about 
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Anongirl, I feel so sorry for you, that you missed the point entirely. Racial profiling does nothing to keep terrorists out of your country, as you guys seem to be the terrorists' best friends to begin with. Talk about racism! Shame on you. And since you bring up Sept 11th, racial profiling would not have kept those men off the planes as it was all Bush's plan in the first place - Long Live Michael Moore!
Please Keep postings to the sublect or your messages will be deleted
SUBLECT in this directry in OLYMPICS.
We do have a politics section.
Edited by Administrator (Thu Sep 02 2004 11:27 AM)
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ANON
The SUBJECT IS OLYMPICS we do have a section for politics
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Tedkaps
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I definitely I agree with you that the Olympic Association and or, the Greek Governor should recognize this runner's effort and under that bizarre circumstance to issue a 2nd gold medal. Should Greece issued him a Gold, then our Olympic Spirit and Flame would shine and embrace every soul in the world. I even wrote to the Greek Governor to make such a move, but I guess the immaturity in reaching such a decision reflects of the way we treat world athletes. This event had an emotional affect on me, cause as a marathon runner myself (I have just completed my 100th marathon) I understand what this individual went through. Though, I take my hat off to him of the way he had contacted himself at the finish of his run.
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