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skeftomeni exeis dikio,people in crete were fighting against
germans-nazis, men and women with courage.Apo ta vivlia istorias twn high schools kai toy lykeioy not only did they stop THREE attacks of germans troops from (killing them before reaching the ground...fell dead !!) taking over the island, but did slow them down from attacking russia!The winter was too heavy in russia when they attacked afterwards...AND thy had serious losses!
a re kritikoi athanatoi! h amerikh htan kai einai h pio anaptygmenh xwra sto kosmo, (me ton megalytero strato)
wste htan h monh pou mporouse TO help AND SAVE whole EUROPE ,not only poor greece...
all america's alies in europe AND greece destroyed nazists...of course at that time US Army was the only powerfull enough to attack them.
...Luckily!
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Na siblirwsw kai egw  Opws eipe kai o cretanB Kati pou den akougete sxedon katholou einai oti an i Kritikoi den kratagan toso kairo ta pragmata tha itan pio efkola gia ton Hitler. Genika an I Ellada den kratage ..... eidate ti plaka epathan oi Italoi I kathisterisi loipon afti anagase to Hitler na epitethei pio arga stin Rwssia etsi tous epiase o xeimwnas sto Stalingrand alliws an den eixan to provlima me tin Ellada tha eixan ftasei ekei nwritera. Episis na stamatisoume na sigrinoume Ameriki me Ellada pistevw einai vlakeia.
I Ameriki ontws einai pio dinati xwra kai exei polla xarismata alla kai ta xarismata kai oi dunameis tis Elladitsas den einai liga. Ena pragma eidika pou dem boroume akoma na sigrinoume einai o patriotismos.
Den borei oi Amerikanoi na exoun ton idio patriotismo opws oi Ellines gia tin Ellada.
Oxi pws den einai patriwtes kai den agapoun tin Ameriki..... min to parete strava. Apla I ameriki exei na faei polla karvelia akoma mexri na grapsei Istoria, einai akoma mia nea xwra.
Exei akoma kairo......
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i alithia paei brosta file mou.To bravo prepei na dothei se ekeinous toys Ellines pou aneksartitws politikou xrwmatismou polemisan tote sti Kriti kata twn Nazi. Ekeines oi Kritikes oi Hrwides ekeinou tou kalokairiou, therizan kai opws epeftan oi Germanoi me ta aleksiptwta tous therizan me ta drepania. Ayti einai i istoria twn Ellinwn opws leei kai o Solomos..apo ta kokkala bgalmeni ... sk
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SVATS, my friend,(and Cretan for that matter)I agree with what you say about Greece throwing a monkey wrench in Hitler's plans .
My problem,however, is with your following statement in which you contradict yourself. First you state that it is stupid to keep comparing Greece and the U.S., but the very next sentence you do exactly what you denounce by comparing the relative patriotism among the citizens of the two countries.First of all I believe that your statement is false. The feeling of Patriotism does not lie in the history of that particular country , but in the hearts of it's citizens.Namely in the ideals,civility, justice, and the opportunities that particular nation affords it's citizens. In essence PRESENT patriotism does not wholy encompass just the past, but the present and most important the future.
Your statement, therefore, can be broadened to the rest of the world on the assumption that no other nation of the world has the grand history of Greece, therefore, no other people of this world are as patriotic as the Greeks. This assumption is false.
As for the history of the U.S., it is fraught with civil liberties and ingenuity.
In two thousand years, the citizen's of the world will look upon America's history and appreciate it as we do that of Greece today.
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A re Patriot an eixa valei stixima tha eixa kerdisei Mia Elliniki paroimia lei Ekei pou eisai eimouna
kai edw pou eimai thartheis
an........ ta katafereis fisika. Meta apo 2000 xronia isws na milame kai gia ton thavmasto kosmo tou planiti X pou isws exei akoma pio axiologo politismo kai istoria apo ton planiti gh Simera omws I Ellada exei Istoria.... kai oi Kinezoi kai oi Italoi kai oi Egyptioi... klp klp klp. Tin Ameriki tin agapw kai tin sevomai, Zw edw kai eimai eftixis pou gnwrisa afti tin xwra alla Patriot einai akoma poly nwris gia na milame gia patriotismous. Pseftopatriotismous NAI. Distixws!!!
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With all do respect, SVATS, you did not really answer my objections to your statements. And yes nobody can predict the future, I should of added I *HOPE* America leaves a legacy that we can be proud of.
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ksreis SVATS an den afisei legacy i ameriki de tha zisoun oi epomenes genees twn athrwpwn.
Edw kodebei na katastrafei o planitis apo ta apoblita kai ta ximika kai o patriot milaei gia legacy. Oso exeis tous ebreous panw sto kefali sou Patriot legacy de blepeis se toyti ti xwra...gia anoikse mia fora ena kanali pou miloun amerikanoi British descent na deis ti lene gia tous ebraious..swse ti patrida sou apo autous kai ase tous Ellines kata meros..den eisai aksios oute na anapneeis ton elliniko aera oxi na milas gia ellinikes ypotheseis..
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nai exw akousei ayto pou les ameriklane sto SPAN wow!prepei na mathenoun oi amerikanoi prwtis defteris kai tritis geneas oti oi ex8roi tis Amerikis einai apo mesa kiriws...
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Patriot, I saw you criticizing someone for not writing English correctly.Here is one of your jewels: You wrote *I should of added* in one of your previous postings. The correct form is *I should've added* or *I should have added. Have your choice! And this...from a non-English speaking person. So we set the record straight.
[This message has been edited by sintagmatarxis PRITS (edited 03-05-2002).]
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see what happened to Jews everywhere
e.g in Egypt, in Spain, in Germany.
What is wrong with these guys?
I am afraid that CNN and New York Times is theirs. Someone told me that most of the World Trade center was theirs, too.
Arabs have a target in the USA but what about us who are innocent.
I know that most Greeks are good citizens
in the United States. Can you tell me what an american patriot does to protect america from this race?
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Pwpwpwpwpw an den itan i Ameriki ti tha ginotan o kosmos??? Simfora megali.....Ante ena tragoudaki Oso yparxei i trapoula
tha vgenouneeeeee rigaaaades kai Opou yparxoun ELLINES
tha vgenoun mathitades. kalo? aaaaa na min 3exasw trapoula = gh
kai rigades = Ellines
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SVATS,
thimamai ena laiko asma pou leei ..tou spasane to baglama kati paliomages exthes arga..kai leei kai kapios allosmanna mou me riksane panw apo ti bespa
ki espasa to podi mou kinonia pseytra.. kalinixta SVATS
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....Lets see Prits, Fart or whatever you call yourself.
[This Message has been edited by sintagmatarxis prits].
I choose not to be a member at this point so I do not have this luxury as of yet.
Although proofreading would be prudent, I do not have the time to respond to everyone and correct my syntax or typo mistakes;For you see I am one amongst many.
If I may be so humble to quote Dr. Martin Luther King. *Judge not by the color of your skin, but by the CONTENT of your character* I Think this applies to message board writing as well.
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Damn!!!!! you people do not wan't to hear anything good about anyone else.What is wrong with honoring a legacy? or a possible future one for that matter? Whether it is American, Greek, German, or any other country? And yes this thread sssssshtinkssss of racism and anti-semitism. Krima
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Patriot min tsantizese
einai poly aploAn i giagia mou eixe rouleman Tha itan patini. I Istoria grafetai den provlepetai. Oti einai na ginei tha ginei. kai edw prepei na prose3oume giati I Istoria kamia fora ekdikeitai ... kai fisika epanalamvanete. makari na zoume meta apo 2000 xronia na doume kai na kamarwsoume
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Patriot, it was not a typographical error. It was your shear ignorance of the English language on your part. It was you who criticized someone else first. Please take the time and learn the language you want to use, and then use it properly. [This message has been edited by sintagmatarxis PRITS (edited 03-06-2002).]
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Ως γνωστόν η ελληνική γλώσσα είναι η πλουσιότερη του κόσμου.
Όλο αυτό που γίνεται τις τελευταίες μέρες σ αυτό το δίκτυο μπορεί κανείς να το αποδώσει με μια μόνο λέξη <<ΚΩΜΙΚΟΤΡΑΓΩΔΙΑ >> ή <<ΙΛΑΡΟΤΡΑΓΩΔΙΑ>> και εξηγούμαι .
1. Από την μια μαλώνετε οι έλληνες της Γερμανίας με τους έλληνες της Αμερικής για το ποιος έχει τα καλύτερα σπίτια στην Ελλάδα και ποιος είναι περισσότερο πατριώτης από τον άλλον.
2. Κάποιος PATRIOT ο οποίος διαβάζει και καταλαβαίνει τα ελληνικά έστω και με λατινικούς χαρακτήρες , απαντάει στην αγγλική και μάλιστα χωρίς να γνωρίζει καλή γραμματική σύμφωνα με τον Συνταγματάρχη Πριτς .
Αν αυτό δεν ονομάζεται ΚΩΜΙΚΟΤΡΑΓΩΔΙΑ τι άλλο θα μπορούσε να είναι ;
Αν στην 3η χιλιετία έστω και στα πρώτα της χρόνια ,δεν έχουμε βάλει μυαλό να κοιτάμε από τα λάθη του παρελθόντος να μπορούμε να διορθωθούμε και να φτιάξουμε το παρόν και το μέλλον καλύτερο, παραμένουμε το ίδιο αδιόρθωτοι όπως και πριν από 2500 χρόνια μέχρι και χθες, τότε ότι και αν μας συμβεί θα ήμαστε άξιοι της τύχης μας και οι μόνοι υπεύθυνοι για ότι θα μας συμβεί .
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Re paidia me ayto to thema tou patriotismou poly mou spate tous orheis. Sto onoma tou patriotismou oi Amerikanoi ehoun katasfaxei thn hfilio. Fysika einai mono kat' onoma 'patriotismos' giati ousiastika prokeitai gia oikonomika symferonta pou kryvontai piso apo thn [kammenh] amerikanikh shmaia kai symparasyroun athoous kai naive anthropous like yourselves.
To legacy pou tha afhsei h Amerikh sthn istoria einai to idio pou ehoun afhsei kai oi ypoloipes imperialistikes dynameis: anish katanomh ploutou, koinonikes adikies, anousia via, ntroph gia tous apogonous ayths ths horas. Me ton idio tropo pou ntrepontai gia ta aishh pou diepraxan stous indianous,
gia tous sklavous kai tis fyletikes diakriseis [pou akoma einai yparktes ston Noto], gia thn terastia gaffa pou legotan Vietnam.
Oute pou thelo na milhso gia tous Evraious, einai ta idia kai heirotera apo tous Nazi, pragma poly lyphro giati dystyhos den emathan apo thn istoria.
A, xehasa: to teleytaio legacy ton Amerikanon tha einai h terastia symvolh tous
sthn katastrofh tou planhth mas kai h pantelhs elleipsh oikologikhs syneidhshs pou tous diakrinei. Halfelf
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gia ton Iasona.Iasona giati enoxleisai otan sigrinontai posotika megethi, opws ploutos anamesa stous metanastes tis Germanias kai Amerikis?
H sissoreusi ploutou den apokleei ton anthropo apo toy na exei ithikes aksies kai na tis diakirittei.Ektos apo ton Epikouro oloi oi arxaioi gnwstoi filosofoi itan oi plousioi tis epoxis tous. Oso gia ena metanasti Ellhna sti prokeimeni periptosi, pou bazei to disaki tou ston wmo kai pairnei dromo gia tin ksenitia, den endiaferetai gia poli kairo para pws na apoktisei ulika agatha. Merikoi to kanoun mesa apo spoudes alloi mesa apo epixiriseis kai alloi me ena ksero merokamato sta ergostasia kai stis fabrikes. Otan aytos o metanastis fthasei sto simeio na exei ta aparaitita pou na tou epitrepoun na zei aksioprepws, tote arxizei na endiaferetai kai gia alla themata. Mexri tote omws exoun perasei toulaxiston deka xronia. Mi sas tromazoun loipon ta posotika megethi. Einai kai ayta enas tropos na deis poso eyhmeroun oi metanastes sti mia h tin alli xwra. To kata kefalin eisodima enos laou toy epitrepei na omilei opws emeis edw. As min eixame merokamato kai fagito sto trapezi gia mas kai ta paidia mas, kai tha sou elega egw pou tha patousame dw mesa na kobologoume. Gia rwta toys ftwxous anthrwpous an exoun xrimata na agorasoun ena PC, rwta kai tous ftwxous laous an exoun diasindesi me ton upoloipo kosmo.
panta filika idiaitera se sena Iasona
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Halfelf.....
Your complaints are one sided... is there not a legacy of invention?....let's see...the airplane, the automobile, the telephone, practically every machine in the industrial revolution, steel,skyscrapers, television,space exploration, medical and scientific discoveries, political freedoms and ideals, THE CONSTITUTION, not to mention the internet and the computer.(which you most surely use.)++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++many many more.
Ok let's not forget WWI, WWII, The CIVIL WAR (You guess the importance if you know American history)
And please do not blame Ecological concerns on just one country, they are all guilty.
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PRITS......
To ERR is human.... to forgive devine.For those without sin, let them cast the first stone. If you wan't to dwell on frivolity and triviality, it is you who are ignorant.
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Patriot I have to agree with you this time not 100% but yes you do make a point and I was waiting for someone to talk about this. Well Yes, If America will be known for it's legacy it will be known for things like going to the moon, skyscrapers ( LETS REBUILD THE TWINS EVEN HIGHER ) the airplane the tv and so on. Let's not forget that most of what you said was actually build or made for America by foreigners. Also the phone was created by an Italian guy but Bell got the fame. America would have not build any of these things if it wasn't for the for the people who believed in this country. And
Let's not forget the Hellenic Influence in the American Constitution, The Democracy, medicine, arts, science, etc etc. So, yes I agree with you this time. and Let's keep America's values the way they suppose to be. It looks like our new wanna be founders have nothing in common with the old ones. America is not what it used to be and I want America BACK.
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Αγαπητή φίλη γειά σου
Δεν ήθελα να μιλήσω για το άτομο μου αλλά με αναγκάζεις .
Θα σου πω απλώς ότι και οι δυο οι γονείς μου ήρθαν πρόσφυγες , ο πατέρας μου από την Ιωνία και η μητέρα μου από την Ρωσία (πόντια )και για κάποιον PET η πόντια γιαγιά μου μιλούσε αρχαία ελληνικά και η άλλη μιλούσε τόσο καθαρά ελληνικά που σε λίγες περιοχές της Ελλάδας τα μιλούσαν εκείνη την εποχή και δεν ήξερε καθόλου τούρκικα , είμαι Δε πάρα πολύ υπερήφανος για την καταγωγή μου .
Η δική μου περίπτωση όπως βλέπεις είναι πολύ χειρότερη από την δική σας γιατί οι δικοί μου έχασαν ότι είχαν και είχαν πάρα πολλά και ήρθαν στην Ελλάδα μόνο με τα κουρέλια που απέμειναν από τα ρούχα που φορούσαν.
Προσωπικά δεν ζήλεψα ποτέ μου ανθρώπους που με την εξυπνάδα τους με τον ζήλο τους το πείσμα και την υπομονή κατάφεραν να προοδεύσουν και να φτάσουν ψηλά , αντιθέτως τους καμαρώνω
για την άνοδο τους ,αλλά δεν είναι σωστό να κάθεσαι και να κομπορρημονείς για αυτά που απέκτησες , αυτό δείχνει πνευματικό επίπεδο χαμηλό ,άσε τους άλλους να λένε για σένα θα είναι η καλύτερη αναγνώριση .
Όταν ακούω ανθρώπους να χρησιμοποιούν το ΕΓΩ έκανα ,με κάνει να φεύγω μακριά. Ο εγωισμός χρειάζεται ,αλλά έχει και αυτός τα όρια του.
Για τον Επίκουρο .
Ο Επίκουρος δεν ήταν καθόλου φτωχός ,απλώς μοιραζόταν αυτά που είχε με τους μαθητές και τις μαθήτριες και τους θεωρούσε όλους ίσους ακόμα και τους δούλους και την περιουσία του την άφησε πεθαίνοντας στον δούλο του τον οποίο τον είχε και βοηθό και του έδωσε και την ελευθερία του.
Εάν βρείς το βιβλίο που σου υπέδειξα θα διαπιστώσεις ότι ο πρώτος που κήρυξε την ισότητα και την ελευθερία δεν ήταν ο Παύλος ,αλλά ο Επίκουρος και γι αυτό μέχρι και σήμερα δεν αναφέρεται σε κανένα σχολικό βιβλίο , υπάρχουν Δε και ορισμένοι συγγραφείς που τον παρουσιάζουν ως μέθυσο και ακόλαστο , αν ένας άνθρωπος που πίνει ένα ποτήρι κρασί την ημέρα και μάλιστα νερωμένο όπως το έπιναν οι έλληνες εκείνη την εποχή και εάν υπήρχαν και γυναίκες που πήγαιναν στην σχολή του , ποιοι είναι που τον κατηγορούν δεν θέλει να το ψάξεις και πολύ .
Επίσης το βιβλίο του Θεοδωρίδη το έχουν όλοι σαν πηγή .
Τώρα τελευταία άρχισε να αναφέρεται το όνομα του Επίκουρου και να γράφουν γι αυτόν ,διαφορετικά πιστεύω ότι θα τον ήξερες .
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Iasona,
aneksartita apo ti katastrofi pou pathane oi Ellines tis Mikras Asias, ipirxe mia patrida h Ellada pou mesa sti ftwxia tis giati oloi isan ftwxoi tote tous edose ena tsantiri kai merikoi apo ena kommati gis pou simera to poulane kai zoun pablouta.
De zilebw giayta pou piran oi pontioi apo ton
Benizelo pou simera opws sou eipa tous exei kanei se perioxes tis Athinas pabloutous.
Pali anagnwrizw tin enisxisi tou plithismou pou ekanan aytoi oi anthrwpoi, alla skepsou kai emas olous pou figame giati i idia i patrida mas de mas eunoouse. Kai opws sou eipa emeine gia olous esas xwros na kinisthe
pio aneta. O Epikouros de me endiaferei perissotero apo kathe allo Ellina epanastati kai filosofo. Basika mou aresei na pairnw liga apo ola kai na ftiaxnw to diko mou tropo zwis.
De ksexnw oti zw ston 21 aiwna kai oti ekanan ekeinoi oi anthrwpoi kai eipan exei na kanei pio polu me tin epoxi tous.
Oi arxes tous emeinan gia na didaskoun. Stamatw ayti ti sizitisi edw giati den odigei pouthena. I sigrisi egine anamesa se ksenitemenous tis Germanias aki tis Amerikis. Pali epeidi exw paei toulaxiston 10 fores sti Germania sto parelthon kai zw kai stin Ameriki gia panw apo 13 xronia nai diakirissw oti oi Ellines tis Amerikis den eiani to soublaki pou tous katamartiroun kai exoun kai aksies voithoun ti patrida kai moirazontai ta agatha tous me tous allous dwrees kai alla pou eseis de ta kserete. Kali sou mera
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I agree with SVATS:*America is not what it used to be and I want America BACK.* This is the cry of every person whose body has been diagnosed with an illness. Speak out young Americans. Lets make America well again.
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